# There were many complaints that Obama never passed a budget. Now with solid R leadership, have they? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 23, 2017, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-were-many-complaints-that-obama-never-passed-a-budget-now-with-solid-r-leadership-have-they/797055 "2017-09-23T15:48:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-were-many-complaints-that-obama-never-passed-a-budget-now-with-solid-r-leadership-have-they/797055/21 "2017-09-28T14:19:58Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Now the wall, there’s really no acceptable reason not to provide at least some funding for a border wall, since Democrats are on record as supporting a border wall. If they were lying to the public, saying they supported it but actually not by never funding it, that might be something Trump might want to use against them. I was going to ask what newspapers you read, but instead I will ask, “From which planet are these newspaper that you read?” ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-were-many-complaints-that-obama-never-passed-a-budget-now-with-solid-r-leadership-have-they/797055/22 "2017-09-28T14:21:12Z")
> **[Secure Fence Act of 2006](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006)** > > The Secure Fence Act of 2006 (Pub. L. 109–367 (text) (PDF)), also labelled H.R. 6061, is an act of the United States Congress which authorized and partially funded the construction of 700 miles (1,125 km) of fencing along the Mexican border. The Act was signed into law on October 26, 2006, by U.S. President George W. Bush, who stated at the time that the Act would "help protect the American people", would "make our borders more secure", and was "an important step toward immigration reform". > The ... ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-were-many-complaints-that-obama-never-passed-a-budget-now-with-solid-r-leadership-have-they/797055/23 "2017-09-28T14:34:58Z")
A fence is a wall now? Like, I’m going to walk to the edge of the room I am in, and touch the physical barrier that separates it from the next room in this building. In your opinion, am I touching a fence? ETA: maybe I should ask, “From what planet comes your definition of common, easily understood English words?” ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-were-many-complaints-that-obama-never-passed-a-budget-now-with-solid-r-leadership-have-they/797055/24 "2017-09-28T14:42:19Z")
That was a Democratic talking point. A fence and a wall serve the same purpose on the border. And Trump’s 'wall" is not very specific. He may have some grand goal of a giant wall, but Republicans just want some fence/wall/technology money. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-were-many-complaints-that-obama-never-passed-a-budget-now-with-solid-r-leadership-have-they/797055/25 "2017-09-28T14:43:43Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > [Secure Fence Act of 2006 - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006) > [@](#): > > In 2016, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump proposed building a border wall “as high as 55 feet” along the U.S.-Mexican border, making the pledge the centerpiece of his campaign.[8] Trump’s proposed wall—which he said would consist of 2,000 miles “of hardened concrete, and … rebar, and steel” across the entire southern border[21] would be much more extensive then the fencing built under the 2006 act Explain how that is comparable to the fence in question. Building a physical barrier in certain areas with technological assistance can make sense if done properly. Trump’s plan is bat-shit insane and likely has a profit motive as it’s foundation. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-were-many-complaints-that-obama-never-passed-a-budget-now-with-solid-r-leadership-have-they/797055/26 "2017-09-28T15:48:56Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > That was a Democratic talking point. Uh, I think it is a dictionary talking point. Fences are not walls. Nobody looks at a 50-foot solid concrete wall and calls it a fence. Nobody looks at a chain link fence and calls it a wall. Except you. > [@](#): > > A fence and a wall serve the same purpose on the border. Coffee serves the same purpose as tea. A kale salad serves the same purpose as a cheeseburger. > [@](#): > > And Trump’s 'wall" is not very specific. Trump has a new, very specific idea every 15 days on what his wall constitutes. And if he wanted a border fence – then all he has to do is say that he agrees with Democrats, who have supported border fences, including “virtual fences,” for a long time, including as recently as this year, but Trump has rejected those programs as insufficient. Why is Trump arguing with Democrats if he agrees with Democrats? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/there-were-many-complaints-that-obama-never-passed-a-budget-now-with-solid-r-leadership-have-they/797055.md?page=1)