# There's a new Jack Chick tract, and boy is it a doozy! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 5, 2001, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495 "2001-11-05T00:23:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/161 "2001-11-07T15:46:27Z")
**gobear** , that sucks. Sorry to hear that, and I hope you find some comfort. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/162 "2001-11-07T16:07:38Z")
If Gobear were to tell us that he’s found love with one of the male “actors” from Baywatch and that several “actresses” from the show were headed to my apartment with huge checks for DocCathode, a variety of latex outfits, and a can opener(for non-kinky sex purposes, I broke my can opener last week ya see) THEN I would be happy. I am also unhappy that what should be a fun trash Jack thread has degenerated into a debate on theology. I am happy that with some changes, Death Cookie becomes Death Cartoon-a charming story of Satan telling Chick how to gain power by publishing his tracts. When Satan says ‘If they believe you have power over their souls…’ I half expected this to be the tract where Jack admits who he really works for. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/163 "2001-11-07T16:27:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kayeby \* > \*\*It seems to me that teaching your son the art of critical thinking and evaluation would be more beneficial than merely banning him from reading these books. > \*\* I’m going to _try_ to quote Stephen King on this topic, but chances are this’ll come off as a paraphrase, at best. At a speech he was giving several years ago[sup]\*[/sup], this very issue came up regarding the Studs Turkel book _Working_: If parents or a school library are banning books, or pulling books off of the shelves, then I suggest that you run, not walk to your local public library and read them, because these are things that you SHOULD know about… [sup]\*[/sup]This anecdote can be found in his book, “The Complete Stephen King” ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/164 "2001-11-07T18:17:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vanilla \* > **Count me as one of mnay (but no one else on the sdmb) who thinks Harry Potter is intended to teach children witchcraft. And yes, i won’t let my son read it.** You know, here I was, all ready to make fun of poor **vanilla** , when I discovered in our nation’s finest news source that [Harry Potter is, in fact, leading kids to Satanism](http://www.theonion.com/onion3625/harry_potter.html). 😃 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DeadlyAccurate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac91a4/32.png) [@DeadlyAccurate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadlyAccurate)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/165 "2001-11-07T20:48:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dewey Cheatem Undhow \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by vanilla \* > > **Count me as one of mnay (but no one else on the sdmb) who thinks Harry Potter is intended to teach children witchcraft. And yes, i won’t let my son read it.** > > You know, here I was, all ready to make fun of poor **vanilla** , when I discovered in our nation’s finest news source that [Harry Potter is, in fact, leading kids to Satanism](http://www.theonion.com/onion3625/harry_potter.html). > > 😃 😃 😃 \*\* Reader’s Digest did an article on Rowlings and someone wrote in to protest because they’d read that Rowlings intended to lead children to Satan. RD essentially made fun of the person. A month later, the person wrote in again, furious for their disregard of her issue, and said that she’d _read_ the words straight from Rowlings in an online interview on…The Onion. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/166 "2001-11-07T21:07:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eve \* > You mean I have SOMETHING IN COMMON WITH JACK CHICK?! Excuse me, ah gots t’ go lay down for awhile . . . Well, let’s be honest, we _all_ have **lots** in common with Jack– [ul] [li]We’re all carbon-based life forms[/li][li]We’re all bigger than a Palm Pilot[/li][li]We’re all stuck in the Sol solar system[/li][li]We’re all older than Anne Frank (and probably still breathing, too)[/li][li]None of us ever appeared on _My Mother The Car_[/li][li]None of us is a methane-breathing pack animal[/li][li]None of us has ever been made into a Muppet[/li][li]About half of us have the same _gender_ as Jack[/li][/ul] I guess we’re doomed. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/167 "2001-11-07T21:20:15Z")
Rjung, obviously, you didn’t KNOW that I am actually a tiny, nine-year-old female Muppet version of Ann Sothern . . . ---
**Author:** ![Man\_from\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Man\_from\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Man_from_Mars)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/168 "2001-11-07T23:14:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by k.os \* > \*\*I mean, seriously, can you imagine someone being converted by a Chick Tract?:eek: If Chick is converting anyone, he is converting morons, to put it mildly. If Chick’s site disappeared from the web, I’d be really disappointed. Whenever I need a good laugh, I know I can go and read a couple of tracts at [Chick.com](http://Chick.com). \*\* Of course it is possible to convert people with these tracts. I mean, just look at all the hardened criminals, rapists, witches, devil-worshippers, Hindus, Moslems, homosexuals, evolution-believers, board-game-players, trick-or-treaters, paper-clip-stealers etc etc. who fall to their knees and accept the Lord-and-savior-Jesus-Christ-into-their-hearts yadda yadda the exact moment that they are told about this dude who they never had heard about ever before. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/169 "2001-11-08T15:21:23Z")
It certainly sparks their interest in witchcraft. Not a good thing IMHO. IRL, all my fellow christians and I believe witchcraft, casting spells, etc. are evil, and we teach our children this. It would be like letting them read The Satanic Bible. Scoff all you want, I wont be changing your opinion, nor you mine. For the record, I think Mr. Chick is a bit screwy myself. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/170 "2001-11-08T15:35:48Z")
And yet you agree with what he publishes and his theology, don’t you? Doesn’t seem to matter a whit that what he publishes is: (a) almost devoid of fact, and (b) almost devoid of any knowledge whatsoever of the groups he’s lambasting. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/171 "2001-11-08T15:38:04Z")
What IS his theology? I’ve almost never read any of his tracts. I am a pentecostal christian. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/172 "2001-11-08T16:00:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vanilla \* > \*\*Scoff all you want, I wont be changing your opinion, nor you mine. > \*\* I don’t know what makes you think that my views aren’t subject to change. I’ve changed my opinion on lots of things. Usually this comes about as a result of reasoned arguments and a preponderence of evidence. That’s part of the reason I’m here - to fight ignorance. Not only other people’s, but my own as well. If I were to stick my fingers in my ears and go “La la la la la” when presented with a different view, I’d never learn anything. If your opinions are set in concrete, there’s nothing I can do about it. If that’s a result of your faith - again, there’s nothing I can say. But don’t assume that my thinking works the same way. ---
**Author:** ![Man\_from\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Man\_from\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Man_from_Mars)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/173 "2001-11-08T17:37:23Z")
Something I don’t understand. There’s Lot, trapped in his home and a bunch of raving perverts are outside, wanting to screw the strangers that they just saw enter his home. And what does Lot do? He offers them his daughters?! So, is this saying that homosexual rape is evil whereas heterosexual rape is okay in the eyes of God? If God rained down the fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, it’s because the towns were full of filthy perverts, not because they were homosexuals. Stories as old as those in the Bible have strange plots and points that do not fit well into today’s views and standards and can be interpreted in different ways. But for Chick to just throw this out without explanation of why it is okay to give his daughters to sick sex-maniacs (as if to imply that the crowd was so satanic that they refused even to defile the opposite sex) is another in a million reasons that Jack Chick is so ridiculous. I love reading Jack Chick!! ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/174 "2001-11-08T18:22:29Z")
Background-Minor Witnessing-I am an observant Jew. I have accepted God into my daily life and draw strength from my faith. While not the expert that IzzyR or Cmkeller or Zev is, I have studied Torah, Talmud, Jewish culture and Jewish folklore. I have found that- ``` Homosexuality was not the major sin of Sodom and Gammorah. Folktales century old tell us that the cities' greatest crime was a lack of compassion. One story states that any stranger coming into town would be greeted warmly and given gold coins by all the Sodomites/Gammorahns. But when the stranger tried to buy anything, no merchant would sell to them. Eventually, in a town of plenty, the stranger would starve. The townsfolk would then identify their coins by various markings and take them back, to wait for the next stranger. I've read plenty of similar commentaries by respected, learned rabbis. They consider idol worship and homosexuality sins, but never point to them as the reason for the cities being destroyed. Remember this is Chick. Picture this scene-Jack has just died and is standing before the throne of judgement- God-"Does the name of this one appear in the book of... Wait a second! You're that jerk!" Jack-"No Lord! I'm your faithful servant and messenger!" God-"No! You're that hateful, bigotted, close-minded shmuck who keeps misrepresenting me, quoting me out of context and driving people away from me!" Jack-"But, but, but..." ``` God-“I’ve had it up to here with you kissing my butt! To the lake of fire.” Jack is seized by angels Jack-“There must be a mistake!” God-“Oh that’s right. I nearly forgot.” Jack looks relieved as the angels bring him before the throne God-“Haw Haw.” Jack is thrown into a lake of fire. God-“Are Moses and the boys back from trick or treating yet? I just finished rolling up the NPC’s for the new D&D campaign.” ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/175 "2001-11-08T19:05:24Z")
> [@](#): > > **IRL, all my fellow christians and I believe witchcraft, casting spells, etc. are evil, and we teach our children this.** _I don’t think so, **vanilla**._ Speak for yourself all you want, but don’t speak for others unless they ask you. JFR, I have a pagan for a sister, and you know what? After having been exposed to the _reality_ of it, it’s not evil, nor vile, and _certainly not_ Satanic. It’s not Christian, but it’s sure not about casting spells, either. If you’ll bother to examine it, you’ll even find that many of the principles are quite admirable, taken objectively (‘Do no evil’, ‘harm done is returned to you three-fold’, etc) ---
**Author:** ![Spanky\_The\_Dolphin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Spanky\_The\_Dolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spanky_The_Dolphin)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/176 "2001-11-08T19:21:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DocCathode \* > \*\*God-“Are Moses and the boys back from trick or treating yet? I just finished rolling up the NPC’s for the new D&D campaign.” \*\* Nothing to add right now. I just wanted to say that this is funny as Hell, and signature quality. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/177 "2001-11-08T19:33:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tranquilis \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > **IRL, all my fellow christians and I believe witchcraft, casting spells, etc. are evil, and we teach our children this.** > > _I don’t think so, **vanilla**._ > > Speak for yourself all you want, but don’t speak for others unless they ask you. > JFR, I have a pagan for a sister, and you know what? After having been exposed to the _reality_ of it, it’s not evil, nor vile, and _certainly not_ Satanic. It’s not Christian, but it’s sure not about casting spells, either. If you’ll bother to examine it, you’ll even find that many of the principles are quite admirable, taken objectively (‘Do no evil’, ‘harm done is returned to you three-fold’, etc) \*\* Indeed. And again, even if you don’t want your children exposed to Paganism (which is your perogative, I suppose), spellcraft as expressed in Harry Potter was absolutely NO relationship to Pagan spellcraft. Reading Potter was made me no more interested in Paganism than watching Star Wars was made me more likely to support military action in Afghanistan. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/178 "2001-11-08T19:50:37Z")
Art thou pagan then, **Menocchio**? No need to reply, I’m just curious. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/179 "2001-11-09T04:00:31Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, I’ve read two of them. > I foudn a lot of making it seem that lying and disobeying are a-okay. > [@](#): > > The king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, whose names were Shiphrah and Puah, “When you help the Hebrew women in childbirth and observe them on the delivery stool, if it is a boy, kill him; but if it is a girl, let her live.” The midwives, however, feared God and did not do what the king of Egypt had told them to do; they let the boys live. Then the king of Egypt summoned the midwives and asked them, “Why have you done this? Why have you let the boys live?” The midwives answered Pharaoh, “Hebrew women are not like Egyptian women; they are vigorous and give birth before the midwives arrive.” So God was kind to the midwives and the people increased and became even more numerous. And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families of their own. – [Exodus 1:15-21](http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=EXOD+1:15-21&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on) > [@](#): > > Then Joshua son of Nun secretly sent two spies from Shittim. “Go, look over the land,” he said, “especially Jericho.” So they went and entered the house of a prostitute named Rahab and stayed there. The king of Jericho was told, “Look! Some of the Israelites have come here tonight to spy out the land.” So the king of Jericho sent this message to Rahab: “Bring out the men who came to you and entered your house, because they have come to spy out the whole land.” But the woman had taken the two men and hidden them. She said, “Yes, the men came to me, but I did not know where they had come from. At dusk, when it was time to close the city gate, the men left. I don’t know which way they went. Go after them quickly. You may catch up with them.” (But she had taken them up to the roof and hidden them under the stalks of flax she had laid out on the roof.) – [Joshua 2:1-6](http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=JOSH+2:1-6&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on) > > You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? – [James 2:24-25](http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=JAS+2:24-25&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on) > [@](#): > > Sisera, however, fled on foot to the tent of Jael, the wife of Heber the Kenite, because there were friendly relations between Jabin king of Hazor and the clan of Heber the Kenite. Jael went out to meet Sisera and said to him, “Come, my lord, come right in. Don’t be afraid.” So he entered her tent, and she put a covering over him. “I’m thirsty,” he said. “Please give me some water.” She opened a skin of milk, gave him a drink, and covered him up. “Stand in the doorway of the tent,” he told her. “If someone comes by and asks you, `Is anyone here?' say `No.’” But Jael, Heber’s wife, picked up a tent peg and a hammer and went quietly to him while he lay fast asleep, exhausted. She drove the peg through his temple into the ground, and he died…"Most blessed of women be Jael, the wife of Heber the Kenite, most blessed of tent-dwelling women."[Judges 4:17-21](http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=JUDG+4:17-21&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on); [5:24](http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=JUDG+5:24&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on) ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2001, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495/180 "2001-11-09T05:15:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tranquilis \* > \*\*Art thou pagan then, **Menocchio**? > > No need to reply, I’m just curious. \*\* Nope. I’m Christian. But most of my closest friends are Pagan, and I _like_ Potter. So I’m not exactly disinterested or totally uninformed in the subject. Besides, this kind of attitude really gets my goat (for some demonic sacrifice, no doubt). I find the attitude many Christians have towards Pagans to be very sad. We have alot to learn from one another. Pagans (in general) retain a power of myth, freedom of spirit, regard for nature and femmine divinity that many Christians seem to have lost. And I fucking _like_ Potter. Mostly I just find equating any of the above with Satanism to be patently silly. Thanks for asking. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-a-new-jack-chick-tract-and-boy-is-it-a-doozy/91495.md?page=10)