Huh? Fish is pareve
Hello, Lox and Cream Cheese on a Bagel?
Lox is fish you know?
Um, exactly what are you talking about?
For one, if you botch some kosher food and feed it to me, and i eat it in full belief that i was eating as i was supposed to, even if you purposely laced the meatloaf with pork and milk and ground fish and even stirred in some blood, guess what?
I’m good, though i’m going to be really pissed off if i find out about it.
I did not do it unpurpose, I in good faith believed it was prepared properly.
I have done no wrong here, i’m not going to be held accountable for what you did.
What kind of a person do you think God is?
If you go in for surgery, you do believe in good faith that the surgeon has washed his hands before he goes cutting you up right?
If he does not, does someone come and sue you or the surgeon?
Better yet, i am starving, i am in the middle of a desert.
The only food and drink is a magically appearing pork cheese burger and a pitcher of milk.
If i am bound by the law of Kashrut, what do i do?
I eat it, because i am also bound by a law that demands i preserve life, which takes precedence.
As far as not being logical, how is it not?
If i refrain from mixing all meat and milk in any form, to the best of my ability, then i have done my best to abide by that law have i not?
I do not have to worry about or investigate where they may have come from or some other nonsense, i can just happily eat.
And what is it you want that i should admit to exactly
And what the heck is fanwanking? fan of what?
May I ask how two sets of dishes helps to prevent breaking the milk/meat prohibition?
Is it because of the potential for microscopic particles to be present on the dishes, even when thoroughly washed? Or is it more spiritual than that, as in the dishes have become imbued with some kind of essence of meat?
Or is it something else?
And I’ve seen two-part kitchen sinks in Jewish homes, with one labelled (in Hebrew) “kosher.” For what is each part of the sink used and how does that help follow laws?
I saw on a movie where the two types of dishes were mixed up and the mother burst into tears and ran outside and rubbed dirt on her dishes. But I read something from a rabbi that talked about boiling dishes if they got mixed up.
Can someone help me understand these? (Maybe a good link to a good article if these questions are too much for this type of setting)
Thank you
It would all be much more convincing if there was more convergence of beliefs. Instead, it appears that one can shop around for a rabbi with beliefs that are convenient for you.
Strangest to me is that “spirit” does actually seem to be a factor, but it isn’t acknowledged. “Fire” is being interpreted in a way that is frankly unphysical and wrong. It’s obvious that the rabbis are trying to come up with a justification for not turning on your lights and oven. When it became possible to do that without fire, the rabbis came up with increasingly dubious justifications for classifying electricity as a kind of fire. So actually they are following the obvious spirit of the law, but because the law wasn’t built with sufficient future-proofing, some really roundabout interpretation of common words is required to make it fit.
No offense but that is the dumbest thing ive ever heard
You’re new here. Stick around, and you’ll hear dumber things.
Dumber than wishing on a nonexistent supernatural being invented by an obscure culture from the bronze age?
No actually you have a good understanding.
For sinks, stainless is best, because it is considered non porous, it can be made kosher, and can be i guess you might say repaired from accidental contamination
A double sink is preferred because it makes things easier, one side for meat dishes
on side for dairy dishes.
But if one can not have a dual sink, you can clean a stainless sink, returning it to a kosher state, so you would wash one, kosher the sink, then wash the other.
EDIT: to add that you also would not normally have meat and dairy dishes dirty together, but life does sometimes cause the unexpected, like a water outage where dishes can not be washed when they should.
I do not know why she rubbed dirt on the dishes, perhaps for the movie it was simply symbolic of them now being considered unclean?
For a Jewish mother, i can understand having someone mix up her carefully organized kosher kitchen being something she would burst into tears over.
I mean that is hers, the kitchen, keeping it kosher, keeping the family kosher, that is her responsibility, and she takes it as a serious responsibility and has great pride in maintaining it, and someone comes in and screws up the works.
Earthenware dishes are porous, to return a china dish to kosher is very very hard to impossible.
It would have to have a very thick glazing, enough to be able to consider it non porous.
And if you have ever seen an old coffee cup, you will understand that this is not normally the case.
The normal thing to be done with a contaminated earthenware dish is to break it so it will not accidentally be used.
You would need to have your dishes checked to see if the glazing is suitable, and then even if so, you have to scour and boil and then not use for like 12 months to all any contaminants to break down.
The only other way is to have them refired in a kiln, which destroys any contamination, but may also destroy the dish.
So in that movie, Mom may well have lost all her dishes. they could have been passed down for generations, and once upon a time dishes were a very expensive thing.
Does the RCC still enjoin it’s congregation to abstain from meat on Fridays? I thought that rule was eliminated years ago, along with women having to cover their heads in church.
Only Fridays of Lent remain days of abstinence from meat.
Fridays during the rest of the liturgical year remain days of penance, where the faithful are asked to substitute other forms of penitential sacrifice.
They’re actually asked to abstain from meat.
http://www.dioceseoflansing.org/no_meat_on_fridays_all_year_long
Yes. As I said, they are asked to substitute other forms of penitential sacrifice. If they are no longer observing Fridays of the liturgical year outside of Lent as days of abstinence, that is.
This is an interesting situation in that the Code of Canon Law, Code § 1251 provides:
And § 1252-1253:
And in the United States, the Episcopal Conference is the US Conference of Catholic Bishops. The USCCB has determined such alternate forms of penance, assuming the practice of abstaining from meat is not particularly penitential. As the Conference observed in 1966:
They go on to admonish those who retain the pious custom of abstention to not judge those who elect to adopt a different penitential practice, and remind readers that all should understand the difference between changeable Lenten regulations and unchangeable divine moral law.
Lilies of the Field:
It’s physical, not spiritual. The principle in Jewish law is that hot food transfers its flavor to the utensils touching it (which I guess boils down to “microscopic particles”, although it’s really on more of a “macro” level), and a simple surface washing can’t remove the “absorbed” flavor. The only thing that will get that absorbed flavor out is another application of heat - so for example, if hot meat is put on a plate, then the plate will absorb the flavor of the meat, and then if hot cheesey lasagna is placed on the plate afterward, the heat will make the plate “spit out” the meat flavor into the cheese, which would result in a forbidden mixture of meat and milk.
Obviously, having a separate set of dishes for meat products and for dairy products removes any concerns of this sort.
I can’t imagine that one side is labelled “kosher” (implying that the other side is not kosher). More likely, one side is for the meat set of dishes, and the other side is for the dairy set, because the actual residue on the dishes should not be mixed between one set and the other. Perhaps you mistook the Hebrew word “Basar” (meat) for “Kosher”; the “B” and the “K” in Hebrew look very similar, and the “S” and “Sh” in the middle are identical, if diacritical marks aren’t used (which they sometimes aren’t, in simple labels).
[quote[I saw on a movie where the two types of dishes were mixed up and the mother burst into tears and ran outside and rubbed dirt on her dishes.[/quote]
Don’t know what this is about.
This is correct - my above comments about heat transferring flavor in and out apply here. If you accidentally put hot meat on a dairy utensil, you can boil the utensil in hot water to cause the flavor to be spit out (and into the water, which will then be discarded), and then the utensil can be used for its intended purpose again.
“As it is absorbed, so is it purged.” (k’volo kakh polto)
But you left that second part out to your reply to John Mace, which is a very different answer:
*Only Fridays of Lent remain days of abstinence from meat.
Fridays during the rest of the liturgical year remain days of penance, where the faithful are asked to substitute other forms of penitential sacrifice.*
The above is likely to make the reader conclude that the Church no longer asks for followers to abstain from meat from Fridays. Which is why most post was relevant.
Fair point.
Yeah, I know. Welcome to any discussion of religion ever. :rolleyes:
Also, this is just text; imagine how it gets being an Atheist with Zealous Idiots trying to jump up and down and get in your face about their religion in real life?
If there is a God, its why popcorn was created to be popped, fingers were made to point, and laughter was made possible.
I keep waiting for some lost scripture to be found that says, “Look at all these Idiots! Its better than the Circus. Enjoy the Show!”
Count Blucher:
Being scripture (lost or otherwise) it’s more likely to be referring to sinners and non-believers than it is to adherents.
There are several eruvs (sorry, don’t know what the correct plural form is) in Brooklyn, where I live.
They are sometimes the targets of assholes who insist that this is an unconstitutional accommodation of a religion, and pester the City Council to ban them.
Of all the ways in which we accommodate religious practice in the United States, this one strikes me as particularly unobtrusive. If you hadn’t been told about the eruvs, you would never know they’re there. Unlike, say, some Catholic practices which involve parading a statute of a saint through the streets of the parish (which is also fine with me).
I can’t attribute this to anything other than anti-Semitism.
Eruvim. Although strictly speaking the plural is eruveim chatzeiros. The word chatzer means “yard,” like a backyard or courtyard attached to and owned by a family or group of families that live in one home. And eruv means “mixture,” or “unification,” so what’s being described is multiple instances of the unification of several courtyards of dwelling places.