# There's no diversity like liberal diversity **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 31, 2007, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770 "2007-10-31T20:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/1 "2007-10-31T20:02:06Z")
[Link](http://pj.doland.org/8555.html) I’m speechless. Absolutely speechless. > [@U of D's indoctrination guidelines](#): > > “[a] racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. The term applies to all white people (i.e., people of European descent) living in the United States, regardless of class, gender, religion, culture or sexuality.” This is what passes for higher education now? Jesus fuck! Why don’t thy just rename their stupid school the Ministry of Truth. The football team could be the Orwells (or the Smiths. Actually, either one is better than the chicken that is their current mascot). Why is it that the people who aways scream loudest for diversity never seem to know what it means? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/2 "2007-10-31T20:04:33Z")
The title of your OP is accurate. Few liberals think this way, just as few conservatives are real actual Fascists. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/3 "2007-10-31T20:07:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Residence life program encourages free speech > 3:27 p.m., Oct. 31, 2007–The University of Delaware residential life educational program has been misrepresented and its goals distorted in a report generated this week by an advocacy group, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. > > The University is responding directly to the foundation by letter. (To read that response, please click here.) > > “The central mission of the University, and of the program, is to cultivate both learning and the free exchange of ideas,” said Michael A. Gilbert, vice president for student life at the University. “Far from stifling free speech, the residential life educational program seeks to encourage free speech.” > > Students who choose to participate in the residence life educational program are not required to adopt any particular points of view but are presented with a range of ideas to challenge them and stimulate conversation and debate so that students can reflect on various topics, including diversity. > > “Our goal as educators is to expose students to ideas and to engage them in self-examination of the roles they hope to take in society once they leave our campus,” Gilbert said. > > Students in residence halls are not forced to participate, and certainly are not forced to agree with any particular point of view. Students are faced with questions, but the answers to these questions are their own. There are no “correct” answers. [More here](http://www.udel.edu/PR/UDaily/2008/oct/reslife103107.html). I’ve not read this comprehensively to get a grip on who is right, but have no dog in this fight. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/4 "2007-10-31T20:11:54Z")
Barack Obama, who is of European descent, is racist. Necessarily. Interesting. These people are loonies. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/5 "2007-10-31T20:19:37Z")
To be fair, the quote in the OP is not from an official University of Delware publication, but from a [handout](http://www.thefire.org/pdfs/3d0208922083e5d59664be8371ab5f0f.pdf?PHPSESSID=cc242b8f5d2e447030f782dd6e082bc2) given by hired speaker [Dr. Shakti Butler](http://www.sivideo.com/diversity/shakti.htm), an “inspirational facilitator” from Oakland, CA. Not that she’s not a total nutjob, but it’s a bit disingenuous to claim this is from official materials distributed by the University for the purpose to indoctrinating the students. Exposing students to nutjobs is a bit different than officially promoting nutjob points of view themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/6 "2007-10-31T20:20:32Z")
And the link in the OP stopped working for me, so here’s a [direct one](http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/8552.html). ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/7 "2007-10-31T20:24:38Z")
Is it just me? The link, it goes nowhere… Dave’s link ,that is. ETA" Never mind. EETA: New link don’t work. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/8 "2007-10-31T20:26:24Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] To be fair, the quote in the OP is not from an official University of Delware publication, but from a [handout](http://www.thefire.org/pdfs/3d0208922083e5d59664be8371ab5f0f.pdf?PHPSESSID=cc242b8f5d2e447030f782dd6e082bc2) given by hired speaker [Dr. Shakti Butler](http://www.sivideo.com/diversity/shakti.htm), an “inspirational facilitator” from Oakland, CA. [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > Dr. Shakti Butler is an African-American woman of biracial West Indian and Russian-Jewish heritage, And, hence, from her definition, a racist. ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/9 "2007-10-31T20:26:40Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] it’s a bit disingenuous to claim this is from official materials distributed by the University for the purpose to indoctrinating the students. [/QUOTE] In the spirit of the OP–there is no disingenuity like conservative disingenuity! ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/10 "2007-10-31T20:29:45Z")
[QUOTE=ShibbOleth] [More here](http://www.udel.edu/PR/UDaily/2008/oct/reslife103107.html). I’ve not read this comprehensively to get a grip on who is right, but have no dog in this fight. [/QUOTE] It seems more like a statement to discuss than a statement of the university’s intent. Since I’m sure plenty of people come to college thinking like this, it might be a good idea to get a discussion going. This reminds of an incident we had in a hotel where I worked. One of the banquet rooms was being used for a racial sensitivity seminar. When the (black, high-school aged) houseman came in to clean up, he saw a whiteboard that said: > [@](#): > > -BLACK PEOPLE ARE LESS INTELLIGENT THAN WHITE PEOPLE > > -BLACK PEOPLE ARE MORE VIOLENT > > -BLACK PEOPLE ARE MORE SEXUAL (The darker the berry, the sweeter the juice). He stopped me in the hall and said, “What the fuck is this?” ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/11 "2007-10-31T20:30:14Z")
I’ve heard this “all white people are racist” bullshit before. (And “all men are [potential] rapists” from rabid feminists - well, duh, all women are potential murderers, child molesters, etc.) No interest in getting involved in your partisanship, but allowing total idiots to speak about what the fuck they like in an academic context is part of the great tradition of free speech, no? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/12 "2007-10-31T20:35:19Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] To be fair, the quote in the OP is not from an official University of Delware publication, but from a [handout](http://www.thefire.org/pdfs/3d0208922083e5d59664be8371ab5f0f.pdf?PHPSESSID=cc242b8f5d2e447030f782dd6e082bc2) given by hired speaker [Dr. Shakti Butler](http://www.sivideo.com/diversity/shakti.htm), an “inspirational facilitator” from Oakland, CA. Not that she’s not a total nutjob, but it’s a bit disingenuous to claim this is from official materials distributed by the University for the purpose to indoctrinating the students. Exposing students to nutjobs is a bit different than officially promoting nutjob points of view themselves. [/QUOTE] Except that she was hired by UD to train “staff and Whole New World facilitators”. [Link to UD website](http://www.udel.edu/reslife/students/wholenewworld.htm). In light of that, I would think that the university does bear responsibility for the garbage she spouted, and a it could reasonably be inferred that her training does represent the position of the university itself. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/13 "2007-10-31T20:39:31Z")
I for one am sick of people who take a few egregious examples of misdeeds from one group and choose to apply it to an entire extended group. We can all agree that’s wrong, right? ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/14 "2007-10-31T20:43:51Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Except that she was hired by UD to train “staff and Whole New World facilitators”. [Link to UD website](http://www.udel.edu/reslife/students/wholenewworld.htm). In light of that, I would think that the university does bear responsibility for the garbage she spouted, and a it could reasonably be inferred that her training does represent the position of the university itself. [/QUOTE] Fine, except for your dig at liberals. I’m sure that many conservatives’ ideal of diversity is negroes in white jackets serving drinks, but you don’t see me calling all conservatives racist assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/15 "2007-10-31T20:46:55Z")
Kill The Pigs! ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/16 "2007-10-31T20:52:29Z")
[QUOTE=Sophistry and Illusion] Fine, except for your dig at liberals. I’m sure that many conservatives’ ideal of diversity is negroes in white jackets serving drinks, but you don’t see me calling all conservatives racist assholes. [/QUOTE] Yes, we never see thread titles or posts on this board that are blanket statements about Republicans or Conservatives based upon the actions or statements of just one or a few people, do we? :rolleyes: Face it, this kind of PC garbage is liberalism run amok. I don’t recall seeing any posts from you castigating, say, Der Tries for his inaccurate and prejudiced depiction of anyone against abortion as someone who hates women. Since conservatives as a whole are often held responsible on the boards for the misdeeds of a few extremists, since Republicans are frequently branded with the idiotic rhetoric of the religious right, I have no problem laying this one square in the lap of liberals. This, right here, is where your philosophy leads if it is not leavened with a good dose of common sense. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/17 "2007-10-31T20:54:18Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Yes, we never see thread titles or posts on this board that are blanket statements about Republicans or Conservatives based upon the actions or statements of just one or a few people, do we? :rolleyes: Face it, this kind of PC garbage is liberalism run amok. I don’t recall seeing any posts from you castigating, say, Der Tries for his inaccurate and prejudiced depiction of anyone against abortion as someone who hates women. Since conservatives as a whole are often held responsible on the boards for the misdeeds of a few extremists, since Republicans are frequently branded with the idiotic rhetoric of the religious right, I have no problem laying this one square in the lap of liberals. This, right here, is where your philosophy leads if it is not leavened with a good dose of common sense. Deal with it. [/QUOTE] An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. -Gandhi ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/18 "2007-10-31T20:59:12Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Since conservatives as a whole are often held responsible on the boards for the misdeeds of a few extremists, since Republicans are frequently branded with the idiotic rhetoric of the religious right, I have no problem laying this one square in the lap of liberals. IOW: “I know this is an irresponsible overgeneralization about liberals, just as bad as the irresponsible overgeneralizations about conservatives generated by some prejudiced leftists, but I’m just going to go with it anyway as an act of retaliation.” Yes, that’s a useful contribution to the fair and reasoned debate you claim to wish for, all right. :rolleyes: I also note that if you look at more of the quotations from the “facilitator’s” materials cited at the above [link](http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/8552.html), you will notice that their position is considerably more balanced than the OP is claiming: > [@](#): > > “A RACIST: A racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. The term applies to all white people (i.e., people of European descent) living in the United States, regardless of class, gender, religion, culture or sexuality. By this definition, people of color cannot be racists, because as peoples within the U.S. system, they do not have the power to back up their prejudices, hostilities, or acts of discrimination. (This does not deny the existence of such prejudices, hostilities, acts of rage or discrimination.)" - Page 3 That is, this “diversity training” stuff (for which I hold no brief in general, btw) is not actually claiming that nonwhite people can’t be prejudiced, hostile, discriminatory towards members of other races, etc. Rather, it’s essentially just using “racism” to refer to a **social** phenomenon rather than an **individual psychological** one. ---
**Author:** ![Grossbottom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ba8739/32.png) [@Grossbottom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grossbottom)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/19 "2007-10-31T21:00:09Z")
Fuck you! How do you know Dr. Shakti Butler doesn’t vote Republican huh, how do you know that? Answer me that. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/20 "2007-10-31T21:03:14Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Face it, this kind of PC garbage is liberalism run amok. [/quote] Face it…nawwww, too easy. > [@](#): > > I don’t recall seeing any posts from you castigating, say, Der Tries for his inaccurate and prejudiced depiction of anyone against abortion as someone who hates women. Der Trish has to be once of the most castigated posters on this board, liberal or not. > [@](#): > > Since conservatives as a whole are often held responsible **on the boards** for the misdeeds of a few extremists Are you trying to whoosh us? Claiming that a few posters comments makes it okay to tar liberals with the charge of claiming that a few persons misdeed makes it okay to tar all white people? The mind boggles. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770.md?page=2)