# There's no diversity like liberal diversity **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 31, 2007, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770 "2007-10-31T20:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/61 "2007-11-01T00:41:05Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] I’m saying that quoting something from Butler’s handout as being from “U of D’s indoctrination guidelines” is inaccurate. Universities hire outside speakers to educate students and faculty all the time. Said speakers’ handouts are not automatically official university guidelines merely because the speakers are getting paid by the university. [/QUOTE] Even when they are getting paid by the university to train RAs to administer the new diversity program? Train school employees to administer, not educate students in general. Do you feel the materials used in that training are still immaterial? If that’s your position, I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree then. ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/62 "2007-11-01T00:43:54Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Yes, we never see thread titles or posts on this board that are blanket statements about Republicans or Conservatives based upon the actions or statements of just one or a few people, do we? :rolleyes: Face it, this kind of PC garbage is liberalism run amok. I don’t recall seeing any posts from you castigating, say, Der Tries for his inaccurate and prejudiced depiction of anyone against abortion as someone who hates women. Since conservatives as a whole are often held responsible on the boards for the misdeeds of a few extremists, since Republicans are frequently branded with the idiotic rhetoric of the religious right, I have no problem laying this one square in the lap of liberals. This, right here, is where your philosophy leads if it is not leavened with a good dose of common sense. Deal with it. [/QUOTE] Of course there are stupid liberal posters on this board. Your considered view seems to be that if you post a stupid conservative post, it evens the balance somehow. Nice to know that’s how your mind works. Idiot. If you think that I haven’t castigated Der Trihs for being a fucking moron, you are wrong; I have done so several times (most recently yesterday or the day before). Most liberals on this board think Der Trihs is an asshole. Idiot. Of course, liberalism without common sense leads to stupidity. The same can be said of conservatism, and often does. Transformation Ex-Gay Ministries, anyone? Idiot. Conclusion: you’re a fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Magralopterix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@The\_Magralopterix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Magralopterix)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/63 "2007-11-01T00:44:27Z")
Weirddave, you are a total fucking cock. This cunt isn’t the Emperor of all liberals and only a cock would use her dumbshit antics to generalise about anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/64 "2007-11-01T01:00:38Z")
Ahh, liberals. Gotta love it. When presented with the egregious actions of one of their own they can’t simply condemn them and be done with it. Nope, they have to make sure to attack the person pointing it out. Don’t ever change guys and gals, don’t ever change. It’s highly amusing to watch. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/65 "2007-11-01T01:01:08Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Care to comment on the topic of the thread, or are you just behind on your snark quota for October and trying to get one last pointless jab in? [/QUOTE] The “topic.” such as it is, is barely worthy of comment, particularly given your egregious representation of the issue in the OP. It really is one of the more incoherent and misdirected rants i’ve seen on the boards. Had you framed it intelligently and honestly, we might have had a reasonable discussion about whether this woman’s attitude to race relations is productive or stupid, and whether or not an institution like U. Delaware should be using her to train its Residence Life staff. But no, you just marched in ranting and raving like a fucking idiot, and making your usual blanket assertions about “liberal” thought and its contribution to the decline of America. Your claim that the quote in the OP represented “U of D’s indoctrination guidelines” is indicative of your general posting style, in that it is both needlessly hyperbolic _and_ incorrect. I have an opinion about Dr. Butler’s interpretation of what racism means, one that is far from being in complete agreement with her, but i’m not really interested in discussing it with a fucking lunatic. Sorry. Just a few weeks ago, in a [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=439700&page=4&pp=50) in which i was discussing a particular bunch of conservatives, i made the observation that: > [@mhendo](#): > > many conservatives are worthless hypocrites who are happy to say one thing and do another, depending on what serves their cause. It was very clear that i was speaking, in that post, about the particular conservatives who were ragging on the Frost family, yet you still felt the need to say: > [@weirddave](#): > > Since you’re doing such a good job of bending over backwards to be fair (and you are), maybehaps you should amend your statement to include all people rather than targeting just conservatives? There are plenty of liberals who “are worthless hypocrites who are happy to say one thing and do another, depending on what serves their cause”, Christ RTFirefly who is the poster child for that has been posting incessantly in this thread. If you’re going to be fair about it, be fair all the way. Physician, heal thyself. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/66 "2007-11-01T01:02:42Z")
[QUOTE=Sophistry and Illusion] Of course, liberalism without common sense leads to stupidity. The same can be said of conservatism, and often does. Transformation Ex-Gay Ministries, anyone? Idiot. Conclusion: you’re a fucking idiot. [/QUOTE] Maybe you should read the entire thread before going off half cocked. You sit here and call me an idiot, yet your reason cited is a point I made a couple of dozen posts ago. Nice try. ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/67 "2007-11-01T01:04:06Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Ahh, liberals. Gotta love it. When presented with the egregious actions of one of their own they can’t simply condemn them and be done with it. Nope, they have to make sure to attack the person pointing it out. Don’t ever change guys and gals, don’t ever change. It’s highly amusing to watch. [/QUOTE] Several people in this thread have said she’s an idiot. And we not criticizing you for daring to challenge one of our idols. We’re criticizing you for using the actions of one idiot to draw conclusions about liberals. You know, sort of like if I said, “Weirddave is a fucking idiot; therefore, conservatives are all fucking idiots.” Oh, but I forgot, liberals do it, so it’s okay for conservatives to do it. Gotcha ya. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/68 "2007-11-01T01:07:15Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] Have you any European heritage? Any at all? How about your kids? Whatever there is is racist as a mammajamma. [/QUOTE] I can’t say for certain what my dad’s background is. His mother was half Central American Indian and half more generically Salvadoran, but of course that implies a European origin at some point. My wife’s family can also trace their roots back to Spain via the Dominican Republic. But that’s irrelevant, in the same way that a black man may well have a white ancestor or Founding Father in his ancestry, but is still not a racist by this concept. So, nope, sorry, I reject your White attempt to make me join in the Guilt of Oppression that has kept me down for so long, racist paleface. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Magralopterix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@The\_Magralopterix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Magralopterix)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/69 "2007-11-01T01:09:16Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Ahh, liberals. Gotta love it. When presented with the egregious actions of one of their own they can’t simply condemn them and be done with it. Nope, they have to make sure to attack the person pointing it out. Don’t ever change guys and gals, don’t ever change. It’s highly amusing to watch. Well, _I_ called her a cunt. If that’s not condemnation I don’t know what is. And I’m attacking you not for pointing it out but for attempting to use this cunt’s loony ravings to tarnish all liberals. It seems to me that you have no problem practising on liberals the same kind of bullshit you claim to despise when practised on Conservatives. I think the real question here is “Does this make you a hypocrite or just an idiot?” ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/70 "2007-11-01T01:09:58Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Ahh, liberals. Gotta love it. When presented with the egregious actions of one of their own they can’t simply condemn them and be done with it. Nope, they have to make sure to attack the person pointing it out. Don’t ever change guys and gals, don’t ever change. It’s highly amusing to watch. [/QUOTE] Very well—I condemn her. I think she’s an attention-seeking moron and her “philosophy” is ludicrous. You may mark me down as having stated, for the record, that I condemn her actions and her position. If there is paperwork to be signed, please submit it to me as soon as possible. I haven’t ever seen you state unequivocally that you disagree with Hitler’s methods. In the meantime, may I assume you to be in full support? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/71 "2007-11-01T01:11:27Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] T But no, you just marched in ranting and raving like a fucking idiot, and making your usual blanket assertions about “liberal” thought and its contribution to the decline of America. Your claim that the quote in the OP represented “U of D’s indoctrination guidelines” is indicative of your general posting style, in that it is both needlessly hyperbolic _and_ incorrect. [/QUOTE] OK. Prove it. Make your argument. So far, Giraffe has been the only one to attempt this, and I have replied, including links, and stated my own reason for believing that classifying the text from the OP as “U of D’s indoctrination guidelines” is appropriate. When a university hires someone to train their employees to administer a school program, the training materials used are indicative of what the school wants from the program. I still have seen nothing that convinces me why this should not be so. Tall me why it shouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/72 "2007-11-01T01:11:44Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Ahh, liberals. Gotta love it. When presented with the egregious actions of one of their own they can’t simply condemn them and be done with it. Nope, they have to make sure to attack the person pointing it out. Don’t ever change guys and gals, don’t ever change. It’s highly amusing to watch. [/QUOTE] “The person in the OP is a complete loon for believing this”. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/73 "2007-11-01T01:18:11Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Face it, this kind of PC garbage is liberalism run amok. [/QUOTE] No, I really don’t see any link between the loonyism cited and liberalism. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/74 "2007-11-01T01:20:52Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] OK. Prove it. Make your argument. [/QUOTE] Sorry, you don’t get to act like a blithering idiot and then pretend you want a rational discussion. As i suggested in my last post, i have a bunch of observations i could make about the woman’s attitudes to race. And, as someone who takes an uncommon interest in the professional and education responsibilities of universities, i also have some ideas about why your use of the term “U of D indoctrination guidelines” is misguided. But i’m not interested in discussing them with you. If someone came up to me in person and said “You liberals are all stupid assholes. Would you care to make a rational argument defending the liberal worldview?”, i’d tell him to take a fucking hike. Same goes for some tool on a message board. ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/75 "2007-11-01T01:36:55Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Ahh, liberals. Gotta love it. When presented with the egregious actions of one of their own they can’t simply condemn them and be done with it. Nope, they have to make sure to attack the person pointing it out. Don’t ever change guys and gals, don’t ever change. It’s highly amusing to watch. [/QUOTE] Oh dear, you are just digging a deeper hole for yourself now aren’t you? First you castigate ‘liberals’ because of what this loon in the link says. Then when people point out you are overgeneralising, you seem to think that ‘tu quoque’ is a justification. _It is not_. When a poster upthread rightly mocks your previous attempts to present yourself as a moderate, noting that you are liberal-bashing without just cause, you crap on them for not sticking to the subject. _Then_, without a trace of self-awareness, you post your ‘Ahh, liberals’ tripe above. _You are a dishonest hypocrite_. You moan that people give **Der Trihs** a free ride. They point out that they do no such thing. _You are a liar_. One more thing. With reference to ‘liberals’, you say that the woman in the OP is ‘one of their own’. Now I’ll just ask you if you _really_ think that, after a moment’s reflection. _Is_ she ‘one of their own’, or _isn’t_ she? Be careful. If you answer ‘yes she is’, I’m afraid I will have to ask you whether a KKK member is one of _your_ own. (recall your response to Miller) …Oh, another thing then: do you actually understand that the reason people piled up on you wasn’t because they can’t ‘just condemn and be done with it’, it’s because _you declared these ideas to be liberal ideas_. If you have a beef with what the woman said, pit it. Don’t insert the word ‘liberal’ for shits and giggles _and then moan that self-identified liberals are taking you to task_. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/76 "2007-11-01T01:38:25Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Ahh, liberals. Gotta love it. When presented with the egregious actions of one of their own they can’t simply condemn them and be done with it. Nope, they have to make sure to attack the person pointing it out. Don’t ever change guys and gals, don’t ever change. It’s highly amusing to watch. [/QUOTE] 1. How about a cite that she’s a liberal? 2. An opinion is not an “action.” 3. No one in this thread has supported her. 4. You dishonestly represented her views as official University policy and even more risibly represented them as the views of “liberals” in general in your thread title. That means that simple condemnation of the individual in question would be an incomplete response to your OP. It is disingenuous for you to cry about being “personally attacked” just because you’re getting called on the distortions and misrepresentations in your own posts. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/77 "2007-11-01T01:48:12Z")
What happened between the time of my father’s conservativism and now? Did some form of partisan olestra make many conservatives brains leak out their puckered buttholes? So many of them seem incapable of basic reasoning or logic, like this OP. It’s really quite a sad state of affairs. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/78 "2007-11-01T01:54:18Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Ahh, liberals. Gotta love it. When presented with the egregious actions of one of their own they can’t simply condemn them and be done with it. Nope, they have to make sure to attack the person pointing it out. Don’t ever change guys and gals, don’t ever change. It’s highly amusing to watch. [/QUOTE] _We_ made with the attack? You used this story as an excuse to make a baseless attack against liberalism in general. And when liberals defend themselves, you act like you’re the innocent victim. You’re full of shit, Dave. If you wanted to make this pit thread about this woman, you’d have made it about this woman. Instead, you specifically crafted it as a provocation for a fight. And when you get exactly the response you were looking for, you whine like a little bitch. That’s a real shame, because I remember a time when you actually had something worth contributing to this board. Now, you’re just part of the asshole chorus that makes genuine political debate all but impossible anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/79 "2007-11-01T01:57:52Z")
I’ve worked academic libraries for a number of years now, and not in a back room either. I have spent every working minute directly assisting students and faculty of the various universities as either a reference or circulation librarian, and I think I can put this one in perspective. First of all, whether Dr. Butler is officially affiliated with the university or not, the fact that she was hired by that university for _diversity training_ of their RA’s is pretty damning, and as far as that’s concerned, I’m with **Weirddave** on this one. I would say that pretty much proves that the university condones her views enough to give her money to train, unless you want to argue that the university hired her for some other reason without realizing that she held these views and that it was just all a confusin’ coinkidink. I mean, I’m no liberal myself, but if my university needed a trainer for our Dean of International Studies and just _happened_ to pick David Duke, I would suddenly have quite a few serious questions, his qualifications as a trainer be damned. And that brings me to why **Weirddave** is wrong about “liberal diversity”. Dr. Butler is no more a liberal than Mr. Duke is a conservative. They’re both _radicals_, and that fact is behind the reason I’m planning on getting out of academia and into business. See, if universities and colleges were being run by liberals, I would have no problems. As a conservative, I’m quite happy to recognize the good that liberals have done, such as desegregation, FDR’s various programs, unions–the list goes on. I have liberal friends, and we have discussions, and I find them to be open-minded and fair about pretty much everything. Liberals are good people. The problem is that universities are _not_ being run by liberals. They’re being run by the radical left. Oh yes they are! Our library along with every other library in the Boston area watched as across the Charles River, Larry Summers got drummed out of his position at Harvard due to some innocuous remark. It wasn’t the students who drummed him out, either, but a few academic bullies who couldn’t stand to hear even a whiff of criticism toward their canon. All across the nation, conservative speakers are routinely shouted down, and some are physically attacked. Students are harrassed and threatened for voicing conservative opinions and they are mocked for their religious beliefs by professors who couldn’t survive outside of their dusty offices and tenured positions for a year. For the past eight years, I’ve _seen_ it, I’ve heard it, and I’m disgusted by it, and next year, I’m going to start on my second masters in business, not education and start looking for a corporate job pretty much for this reason. Oh yes, corporate is a pain in the ass, and the hours are long, and I’ll probably never make THAT much money, but at least corporate people have experience in the real world. I’ve seen the consequences of spending too much time on Planet College, and there’s no way I’m going to allow it to happen to me. Radicalism has a way of yielding to reality that is starting to appeal to me more and more. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770/80 "2007-11-01T01:59:02Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] What happened between the time of my father’s conservativism and now? [/QUOTE] The highjacking of the GOP by the religious right. The same lack of intellectual curiosity and intolerance of dissenting views that perpetuates their religion has turned reasoned conservative thought into rigid right-wing dogma, impervious to logic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-diversity-like-liberal-diversity/424770.md?page=5)