# There's no "there" there: Breathless reports (with video!) of Joe Biden "having lost it" are untrue **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 21, 2024, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159 "2024-06-21T15:59:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/1 "2024-06-21T15:59:22Z")
> **[Sick Lies and Videotape](https://statuskuo.substack.com/p/sick-lies-and-videotape)** > > The GOP and its right-wing media allies have launched a full assault upon President Biden using selectively edited video and fake stories In brief: - While in France recently for the 80th Anniversary of D-Day remembrance ceremonies, Biden did not try to sit in an imaginary chair. The chair was there – careful use of camera placement was used to imply otherwise. - Also while in France, Biden did not hesitate to sit down because he soiled himself. He hesitated to sit down because he was waiting for the speaker following him to make it to the podium and start speaking. - While at the G7 Summit in Italy, Biden did not wander off to speak to an imaginary person and give a thumbs-up. Biden was instead addressing some parachutists who had landed on a field behind where the G7 leaders had congregated (**[link to free _Washington Post_ fact-checker article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/06/14/cheapfake-biden-videos-enrapture-right-wing-media-deeply-mislead/)**). - Biden did not have a freeze-up spell during a Juneteenth celebration on the White House lawn. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/2 "2024-06-21T16:21:45Z")
There is a “there” there, but the “there” that’s there is that the right wing is completely dishonest and has no shame. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/3 "2024-06-21T16:24:38Z")
Ever notice that there really isn’t any such thing as fact-checkers in conservative media? Yeah. I’ve noticed that, too. [Actually, it’s worse than that. Tucker Carlson tried to get a Fox News reporter, Jacqui Heinrich, _fired_ simply for fact-checking Donald Trump.] ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/4 "2024-06-21T16:36:25Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > - While at the G7 Summit in Italy, Biden did not wander off to speak to an imaginary person and give a thumbs-up. Biden was instead addressing some parachutists who had landed on a field behind where the G7 leaders had congregated (**[link to free _Washington Post_ fact-checker article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/06/14/cheapfake-biden-videos-enrapture-right-wing-media-deeply-mislead/)**). I saw some coverage of this that was, IMHO, even worse. It criticized Biden for paying attention to the parachutists who had, literally, just risked their lives for the entertainment the G7 leaders instead of being focused on the very, very, very important photo op that was taking place. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/5 "2024-06-21T17:19:47Z")
It’s also true that all of us have “lost it” at one time or another (and some of us more frequently than that). ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/6 "2024-06-21T17:24:06Z")
I just came here to say, uh, OK, I forgot what I came here to say. But, while I’m here, I’m shocked, shocked that right-wing media is lying. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/7 "2024-06-21T18:01:21Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > right-wing media is lying In other news, lying liars continue to lie. But it’s good to point out the specific lies, at least to a limited extent. It won’t stop the liars, and it won’t affect their gullible suckers, but at least it goes on the historical record. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/8 "2024-06-21T18:11:49Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Actually, it’s worse than that. Tucker Carlson tried to get a Fox News reporter, Jacqui Heinrich, _fired_ simply for fact-checking Donald Trump.] More and more, I think of Carlson as the modern Goebbels. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/9 "2024-06-21T18:24:01Z")
The late night hosts routinely debunk this bullshit, but I’m suspecting that most of their audience is on the left, so it’s preaching to the choir. What is repugnant to me is that so many people readily believe this sort of thing and don’t ever question the source. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/10 "2024-06-21T21:42:45Z")
I expect this to ramp up to absolutely INSANE proportions in the coming months. This is all they have. There is no Republican platform. There are no policy plans. There is no blueprint for improving the country. There is only this. Oh, and also planning for the Revenge Tour on Trump’s perceived enemies. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/11 "2024-06-21T22:12:05Z")
First there were “deep fakes.” Now we have “cheap fakes.” What’s next? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/12 "2024-06-21T22:15:33Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > More and more, I think of Carlson as the modern Goebbels. Tucker would be very flattered. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/13 "2024-06-21T22:33:45Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > What’s next? Veep fakes created by an AI that impersonates Kamala Harris. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/14 "2024-06-22T00:09:09Z")
> **[Sinclair floods local news websites with hundreds of deceptive articles about...](https://popular.info/p/sinclair-floods-local-news-websites)** > > This month, Sinclair Broadcast Group has flooded a vast network of local news websites with misleading articles suggesting that President Biden is mentally unfit for office. The articles are based on specious social media posts by the Republican... ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/15 "2024-06-22T13:14:44Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Now we have “cheap fakes.” What’s next? Sheep Fakes. The GOP just tells them what to believe, and they believe it. Post any video, like of Biden just walking along a hallway, or something, and say, “Look at this video of Biden praising Satan while kicking puppies!”, and then the next day, the MAGAs are all, “Well, I’m not going to vote for that puppy-kicking Satanist! I saw it all on video!” ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/16 "2024-06-22T13:52:49Z")
It’s sad when all they have is cherry picked seconds long edited clips that they point to and say “SEE! SEE! UNFIT!” but when faced with long uncut sequences of him they can’t alter (ie.state-of-the-union-address) they default to “MAGIC ELIXIR!” ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/17 "2024-06-22T14:07:55Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This is all they have. There is no Republican platform. There are no policy plans. There is no blueprint for improving the country. Yep. They are desperate for anything to take attention off their pathetic candidate’s enormous problems. “Looky-here! Biden is old! Hur-hur!” Ideas about governing are long gone. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/18 "2024-06-22T14:26:22Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > they default to “MAGIC ELIXIR!” I mean, he does look like old Steve Rogers…. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/19 "2024-06-22T20:08:14Z")
[Indeed.](https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/cv5f0i/what_is_the_deal_with_the_joe_biden_picture_with/) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/20 "2024-06-22T20:19:06Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > > > What’s next? > > Veep fakes created by an AI that impersonates Kamala Harris. > [@Horatius](#): > > Sheep Fakes. The GOP just tells them what to believe, and they believe it. **Creep fakes** : Faked footage purporting to show that Biden-supporting George Clooney is actually Steve Bannon, playing a long game. (Have you ever seen them in the same room?) **Heap fakes** : Bogus ‘newly uncovered’ video showing Biden cavorting in a pile of cash a la Scrooge McDuck. **Jeep fakes** : CGI footage of Trump in a military vehicle, looking heroic during a supposed overseas mission to Defend America. **Leap fakes** : Like the Jeep Fakes, these show a falsely-heroic Trump, this time jumping over buildings in a single bound. **Meep-meep fakes** : Video of beloved Warner Bros. cartoon characters denouncing Biden and praising Trump. **Peep fakes** : Non-existent children appear to delight in marshmallow treats shaped like Donald’s head. **Seep fakes** : The famous video of hair dye leaking down Giuliani’s head is reworked via CGI to make it look as though a) Joe Biden dyes his hair, and b) the dye drips. **Weep fakes** : In the most predictable fakery of all, one of Trump’s infamous Sir stories is brought to life, with Dwayne Johnson, LeBron James, and Blake Shelton approaching Donald with tears in eyes while thanking him for his Awesomeness. . . . In a move that surprised me, Bill Maher took a pause from his rightward trajectory and actually called out the recent RNC-sponsored Cheap Fakes. His panel was Adam Kinzinger, who had some useful comments, and Andrew Cuomo. (So far I’m not seeing a video of just that portion of the hour, but when I do, I’ll link it.) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159.md?page=2)