# There's no "there" there: Breathless reports (with video!) of Joe Biden "having lost it" are untrue **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 21, 2024, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159 "2024-06-21T15:59:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/41 "2024-07-04T23:07:34Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Sheep Fakes. The GOP just tells them what to believe, and they believe it. I expect the GOP to believe their own lies. What’s annoying is how easily Democrats believe Republican lies. Donald Trump is the Republican candidate. And yet, somehow, Democrats have just spent a week asking themselves if Joe Biden is an acceptable candidate. And convincing themselves he isn’t. Here’s how to respond when somebody is “just asking questions” “Is Biden losing it?” “Donald Trump is a convicted felon.” “What? No, I was asking about Biden.” “Donald Trump has committed treason.” But I want to talk about Biden." “Donald Trump is a draft dodger.” “I WANT TO MAKE THIS ABOUT BIDEN!!!” “Donald Trump said he is sexually attracted to his own daughter.” ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/42 "2024-07-04T23:15:10Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Democrats have just spent a week asking themselves if Joe Biden is an acceptable candidate. … Not really. What we’re asking is if he’s too old. That debate was a fucking nightmare. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/43 "2024-07-04T23:33:59Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Donald Trump is the Republican candidate. And yet, somehow, Democrats have just spent a week asking themselves if Joe Biden is an acceptable candidate. And convincing themselves he isn’t. We can be both a very good president, and a very bad candidate. I’m not hearing concerns about his competency to govern. I’m hearing concerns about his ability to win the election. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/44 "2024-07-04T23:38:04Z")
This. It doesn’t matter if he’s senile and losing it. It matters if people believe that he’s senile and losing it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/45 "2024-07-04T23:43:54Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > What we’re asking is if he’s too old. Donald Trump has joked about committing rape. > [@bobot](#): > > That debate was a fucking nightmare. Donald Trump has talked about shooting people. > [@Procrustus](#): > > I’m hearing concerns about his ability to win the election. Donald Trump called American POW’s losers. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/46 "2024-07-04T23:50:36Z")
Trump is the worst person imaginable. Biden, however, doesn’t appear able to beat him. Go figure ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/47 "2024-07-05T00:11:33Z")
I love “West Wing.” To me, there’s just nothing new under the sun, and “West Wing” did a good job of presenting us with fictionalized versions of real events and hypotheticals that could easily come to pass, and … sometimes have. This is about 3m30s, but it’s really the first 1m45s that the Biden issue reminds me of. Vinick (Alan Alda) is an older candidate for Presidency, running against a young, virile, handsome opponent. Bartlet (Martin Sheen) – for those unaware – is finishing up his 2nd term. He also hid the fact that he has relapsing-remitting multiple sclerosis. Age. Health. Just what _do_ the voters have a right to know about their Presidents and Presidential candidates? Good questions, all. > **[The West Wing: Vinick and Bartlet Chat Over Ice Cream \[CLIP\] | TNT](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYEM0C6sfFA%5C)** > > After quickly working out a deal, Bartlet invites Vinick to share some ice cream while they talk about religion in politics.TNT has Partnered with Aaron Sork... ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/48 "2024-07-05T00:18:55Z")
Yes, I know Trump is worse. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/49 "2024-07-05T00:31:52Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Trump is the worst person imaginable. > > Biden, however, doesn’t appear able to beat him. > > Go figure Because conservatives get us to talk about how bad Biden is while they don’t talk about how bad Trump is. Listen, I agree holding your own side accountable is a good thing. But timing is important. Right now is not the time for us to engage in self-criticism. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/50 "2024-07-05T01:12:44Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Biden, however, doesn’t appear able to beat him. The polls are more or less dead even. And it is 3 months before the election. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/51 "2024-07-05T01:48:49Z")
Four months. The polls show Trump ahead–and Biden has to beat Trump by at least 3% in the popular vote to win the electoral vote. [Trump is 6% ahead in the latest New York Times poll] > **[Presidential General Election Polls 2024 | Latest Polls | RealClearPolling](https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/president/general-election)** > > Explore up-to-date 2024 presidential general election polls. Gain valuable insights into the evolving political landscape and stay ahead of the latest trends. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/52 "2024-07-05T02:01:59Z")
Biden might need to outperform by even more than that. Four years ago, Biden beat Trump by **4.5 percent** in the nationwide popular vote, and yet only won because of carrying Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin by razor-thin margins. A slightly worse performance and he probably would have lost those three states - and with them, the election. It’s possible that this year, even winning by 4% in the popular vote wouldn’t get the job done for Biden, especially considering that Census re-allotment has kicked in and now given the Republicans an extra 4 electoral votes as a baked-in advantage. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/53 "2024-07-05T02:19:25Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The polls are more or less dead even. And it is 3 months before the election. I’ve said this before but apparently it’s needs to be repeated; the general campaign has just begun. Biden is an experience politician. As I pointed out, he’s won eleven consecutive elections. He’s not going to start running political ads against Trump in the spring. Anything he says about Trump would then be old news by November. The conventions are this month and next month. Expect to start seeing a lot of ads reminding people about all of the reasons why Trump is a terrible choice. Then see if he still is dead even. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/54 "2024-07-05T02:24:34Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > a lot of ads reminding people about all of the reasons why Trump is a terrible choice. People have been hearing for **8 years** that Trump is a terrible choice. Countless TV shows, parodies, satires, magazines, op-eds, cartoons, Democratic quotes, Twitter posts, celebrity speeches, ads, posters, billboards, told America _endlessly_ how terrible he was. In fact, he’s probably the most-criticized and warned-about individual in all of American history. And yet: Trump won in 2016, nearly won in 2020, and is currently leading Biden. Nobody knows what _does_ work against him. But telling people “Trump is bad” isn’t it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/55 "2024-07-05T04:47:33Z")
Nearly winning is losing. We have a strategy that has worked against Trump. I say use it again. Now let’s go watch some Lincoln Project videos. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/56 "2024-07-05T05:00:30Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Nearly winning is losing. > We have a strategy that has worked against Trump. I say use it again. Actually losing (2016) is losing. We have a strategy that failed against Trump. I don’t think it’s good to repeat it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/57 "2024-07-05T05:50:03Z")
Biden didn’t beat Trump? Have you been listening to QAnon? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/58 "2024-07-05T11:10:09Z")
I think we need a similar strategy anyway, with fixes to the weak points of last time. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/59 "2024-07-05T20:13:42Z")
Don’t believe what you see with your own eyes. And whatever you do, don’t say it out loud. Yep sounds like a great campaign strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159/60 "2024-07-05T20:40:16Z")
Trump is a terrible choice. He barely beat a very unpopular Democrat the first time and lost the 2nd time. His party did terrible in midterm elections. Even now he is only up a couple points on a Democrat that the majority of the country doesn’t think is up for governing. A traditional Republican would be running away with this thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-no-there-there-breathless-reports-with-video-of-joe-biden-having-lost-it-are-untrue/1003159.md?page=4)