# There's something I have to tell you: You got old. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 29, 2002, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284 "2002-04-29T13:57:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/21 "2002-04-29T18:15:04Z")
And I"m tired of anyone who says they think the Beatles sucked, just to be shocking. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/22 "2002-04-29T19:35:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \*Yet, I don’t think that anyone can make a rational case that Kiss made good music, and the same goes for Styx, Journey, Boston, Kansas, and the Bee Gees. Geez, **gobear** , why don’t you just make fun of _ALL_ my favorite bands? Well … except for the Bee Gees. I’ll give you that one. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/23 "2002-04-29T19:46:32Z")
“Doubly-doubly-doubly-doubly-down-down-down, Turn Out The Light…” Or no era is free from crap. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/24 "2002-04-29T19:55:16Z")
Sorry, **Sauron**. If it’s any comfort, I really dug “Wheel in the Sky” back when I was 15. It just seems to me that Sturgeon’s Law is as true for music as for any sphere of artistic endeavour. People have fond memories of the music they listened to in their youth because a) they had immature tastes, and b)because the music is indelibly associated with being young, making out, hanging with one’s friends. I, for one, would like to think that I have gained some cultural sophistication and artistic discrimination since I was 13. Mind you, it’s impossible to make an objective analysis and say conclusively that the suck quotient of Peter Frampton was less significant to four decimal places than than that of Led Zeppelin due to the eigenvalue of Jimmy Page’s guitar virtuosity multiplied by the Robert Plant vocal coefficent. Still, I cannot help but think that there is an indefinable _something_ that is present in the music of Led Zep but which is lacking in, say, Nickelback. ---
**Author:** ![Yue\_Han](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eada6e/32.png) [@Yue\_Han](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yue_Han)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/25 "2002-04-29T19:56:56Z")
MrVisible & jarbaby & Gary Kumquat: Like I said, it’s not necessarily clock-time. It’s just sort of a general ossification of the ability to appreciate new stuff. Maybe “old” isn’t the best term but it’s what sprung to mind. Trion: > [@](#): > > But I only think that 8/10 of what you hear on the radio is crap. Does this mean that at age 35 I am younger than you? Quite possibly. I don’t really listen to much modern music, so I’m probably not the best apologist. I just get tired of “There has been no good music since the Doors (or whoever)!!” There’s good and bad and if you aren’t willing to search for the good anymore, that’s fine, but please don’t act like some golden age of music is ending. And as for Duran Duran… well, there’s room for all kinds of opinions on the SDMB I suppose. –John ---
**Author:** ![Yue\_Han](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eada6e/32.png) [@Yue\_Han](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yue_Han)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/26 "2002-04-29T20:02:38Z")
What the hell? That’s a slow rolling double post. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/27 "2002-04-29T20:07:05Z")
It’s okay, **gobear**. Just don’t go dissin’ Dexy’s Midnight Runners or Men Without Hats. ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/28 "2002-04-29T20:17:31Z")
Kansas rocks. Carry on. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/29 "2002-04-29T20:34:37Z")
I no longer listen to the radio. I listen to classical, folk, big band, soundtracks, etc. Although, there are some current musicians I like, but they are fewer and farther between. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/30 "2002-04-29T20:37:13Z")
Oh, and as I type this, I’m listening to the soundtrack from “Attack of the Clones”. Proving once again that John Williams is a god among men. ---
**Author:** ![Birdie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/71e660/32.png) [@Birdie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Birdie)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/31 "2002-04-29T20:46:48Z")
"I recently discovered **a webradio station** that is apparently dedicated to the suckiest music of the 50s, 60s, and 70s. “He Hit Me and It Felt Like A Kiss,” anyone? " Oooooo…What is it? After reading Dave Barry’s list of the worst songs ever, my friends and I downloaded every one. Bad music rocks! ---
**Author:** ![Yue\_Han](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eada6e/32.png) [@Yue\_Han](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yue_Han)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/32 "2002-04-29T21:39:25Z")
It’s a terrible, terrible song. It trumps even the execrable “Johnny Get Angry.” I can only find the lyrics in regard to a cover of it that Hole did, but the song is originally by Carole King. [http://membres.lycos.fr/unplugged/lyrics/hole\_ly\_hehitme.htm](http://membres.lycos.fr/unplugged/lyrics/hole_ly_hehitme.htm) As for “Johnny Get Angry”: [http://www.lyricsxp.com/in/show.asp?ID=5618](http://www.lyricsxp.com/in/show.asp?ID=5618) –John ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/33 "2002-04-29T21:49:58Z")
_ **I dissent!** _ You know why your music sucks these days, kid? Because it’s not nearly as **fucked up** as mine was. I sometimes like fast music. You have techno. You have kids spinning records to make new stuff, and that’s cool and all… But, um, my shit was faster. And, excuse me, but where is [Satan](http://www.slayer.net/) and the occult in all of this? No Satan? Not cool. Hell, when I was a growing up, I had Satanic _Ska_ bands to listen to. You’ve got to get evil to get any good. Don’t you kids know this? And what about the drugs and depression? Back in _my_ day, the forward messages were telling you to shoot up smack, while the backward ones were stealing your soon-to-be-released soul. That shit was so good, kids blew their heads off for it, man! Now, they sing about cat tranquilizer and have heart attacks. Boooooring. And where are your [naked, vertically challenged stage performers](http://www.buttholesurfers.com/DoubleLiveMP3.html)? You can’t do disturbing nudity anymore because there’s no place to show off the clothing products, 'cause you’re already done bought by The Man. Sure, today’s music has some similarities to my own, but it’s just not the same. There was a day when _my_ people wore tube socks… _on their fucking dicks!_ I’d like to see Britney pull that one off. I’m sorry, but until you crawl back into the moral basement, you will _never_ earn my respect–that special kind of respect you can only win by not respecting anything at all. Oh! How I pine for those days again. But no. I suppose I’m just going to have to sit back and watch you kids make the thirtysomething leap straight from bubblegum pop to Lawrence Welk. We’ll keep the bubble machine on for you codgers-to-be. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/34 "2002-04-29T22:00:45Z")
Oh, c’mon, **Sofa**. Look at later day artists like Tupac or Biggie Smalls. You’ve got to give today’s rap artists a little respect for their willingness to gun each other down in the street. I mean, Sid Vicious killing Nancy Spungen was pretty hard core, but this is more like Sid Vicious killing Joey Ramone. That’s some dedicated musical barbarism they’ve got going there. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/35 "2002-04-29T22:09:58Z")
[quote] _Guinistasia wrote:_ Oh, and as I type this, I’m listening to the soundtrack from “Attack of the Clones”. [quote] You have reminded me that I need to get that CD. How do you like it? (I assume you think it’s fabulous? Just like every other SW score? > [@](#): > > Proving once again that John Williams is a god among men. As is Jerry Goldsmith (I await his latest score - I think it’s for the new film with Ben Affleck and Morgan Freeman?) I have loved Goldsmith and Williams since I was 14 years old. I don’t know what I’ll do when these two gentlemen pass away, since they both are no longer in the first bloom of youth. I’ll probably wear black for a year, I think. (But then again - Thomas Newman and Hans Zimmer are considerably younger, so I’ll always have some new film scores to look forward to…) ---
**Author:** ![Birdie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/71e660/32.png) [@Birdie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Birdie)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/36 "2002-04-29T22:32:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Yue Han \* > \*\*It’s a terrible, terrible song. It trumps even the execrable “Johnny Get Angry.” > > I can only find the lyrics in regard to a cover of it that Hole did, but the song is originally by Carole King. > > [http://membres.lycos.fr/unplugged/lyrics/hole\_ly\_hehitme.htm](http://membres.lycos.fr/unplugged/lyrics/hole_ly_hehitme.htm) > > As for “Johnny Get Angry”: > > [http://www.lyricsxp.com/in/show.asp?ID=5618](http://www.lyricsxp.com/in/show.asp?ID=5618) > > –John \*\* A song that _trumps_ “Johnny Get Angry”?!? Wow… that i gotta hear 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2002, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/37 "2002-04-29T23:50:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Yue Han \* > \*\* > Wrong. Everybody gets old. And the first thing it takes is your ability to enjoy new forms of music. \*\* Not necessarily. I’m 50. I love Manu Chao, Desorden Publico, Vaartina, Saba Habas Mustapha, Akira Satake, and dozens of other groups that play innovative, very different forms of music that are nothing like anything I grew up with. I hate rap because it’s ugly, not because it’s “new” or different (and it isn’t particularly new anymore, either). I hate most modern pop because it sucks. I am more tolerant of a lot of Oldies, even though they also suck, because that’s what I grew up with. ---
**Author:** ![stockton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5a626/32.png) [@stockton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stockton)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2002, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/38 "2002-04-30T05:40:52Z")
Gobear, you better take BACK that trash-talk about Paper Lace. Now, mofo! Yue, we mixed it up here in the pit a little bit (respectfully) before the board meltdown. I had no idea you were a very young fella. You’re mostly right, but there are some dudes still doing it, and some good OLD shit. David Bowie and Elvis C have been about 3 clicks ahead of the curve for awhile now. Gobear also said: Newsflash: The prepondernace of pop music has always sucked! Too true. But dude, we went and saw KISS two years ago and it was like being 16 all over again. Tell that to Sugar Ray and Blink 182 and Smashmouth and Eminem and all the other prefab wusses. This weekend at a big festival in town, chillin’ in lawn chairs: Hostess: “What do you guys want to hear?” Stockton: “The Cars, Blondie, Talking Heads, The Clash, Elvis Costello, Culture Club!” Everyone else: “Yeah!!!” It was a blast. Didn’t have any 99luftballoons or Modern English, but would have liked to. NOT a blatant plug, just a public service - surf over to [www.shoutcast.com](http://www.shoutcast.com) and download the winamp player, and listen to any kind of music you want all day and night via the net. My fave is in the 80’s genre, RADIO FREE AKRON. Flock of Seagulls, Kajagoogoo, A-Ha, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Keymain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Keymain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keymain)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2002, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/39 "2002-04-30T07:24:32Z")
I’d like to echo the idea that after one realizes that the music on the radio, MTV, VH1 is whitebread, prepackaged crap, most folks taste just stop with what they already like. This is because finding new and interesting things to listen to is actually a bit like work. I’m as excited and into music as I’ve ever been and I’m constantly getting into new artists and older ones that I was unaware of. For me this involves reading magazines, online forums, downloading songs, and sometimes just buying a CD or record that looks interesting. Most people as they get getting don’t have the time/inclination to search out new things. That being said, I have to say that I think that commercial pop music is at a low ebb creatively. When I used to hear an old Stone Temple Pilots (a band which I didn’t care for and still don’t) song on the radio I used to change the station. Now its better than most of what gets played. That’s pretty damn sad Also…I have to step in and defend “He Hit Me and it Felt Like a Kiss” First the music and wall of sound production by Phil Spector is excellent. The _wrongness_ of the lyrics really puts a perverse bow on the whole thing. One of Spector’s best songs IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2002, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284/40 "2002-04-30T07:44:36Z")
Nobody is trying to say that the ‘boy band’ music is actually good, right? RIGHT??? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theres-something-i-have-to-tell-you-you-got-old/106284.md?page=3)