# These ISIS fuckers are spoiling for a fight and Trump will take the bait. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 4, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765 "2017-04-04T19:57:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/21 "2017-04-05T05:01:36Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > They are right that we have an idiot as President. ISIS just wants to suck him in. It will be Vietnam 10x over. These guys cannot be rooted out in their own territory. A lot of innocent people will die. “Innocent people will die”?? Who cares? Muslims don’t count. Nor for that matter, do Christians who couldn’t or wouldn’t vote for El Trumpo Grande. And, whatever you think of Trump’s intelligence, there will be adults advising him, to ensure that the War accomplishes key objectives: opportunities for graft, buttering up to Putin, profit for Trump-supporting kleptocrats and The Trump Organization itself. > [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > If El Trumpo intervenes in Syria, posters will call him an idiot. > > If he doesn’t intervene in Syria, posters will call him an idiot. Have I called Trump an idiot? If so, it was hyperbolic, just like I call **Shodan** or **Clothahump** idiots even though clinically they probably have IQ’s at least high enough to qualify as mere morons. And I don’t blame Trump for his ignorances and greeds. I think you could go to any drunk tank or whorehouse in any Flyover state and find people who would be even worse Presidents than Trump, and with lower IQ’s to boot. But those drunkards and loonies didn’t run for President. Neither did Trump, really — even in his most flatulent wet dream he didn’t think 51% of Americans were stupid enough to pull his lever. I blame the American public who are happy to see a stupid wall, war in the Middle East, and rising hatreds and rising inequality in America, as long as they get their boy into office so he can rename Obamacare, dismantle the Dept. of Education, EPA, NPR, Wall St. regulations, etc., and outlaw gay sex and/or enslave women. Those are the ignorant turds I despise. How about you, **Evan Drake**? Are you an ignorant turd? ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/22 "2017-04-05T05:03:28Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I lived it. LBJ continued sending more and more Americans to die in Vietnam. That is not de-escalation. > > American forces in Vietnam in 1964: 16,000 > > American forces in Vietnam in 1969: 553,000 I lived it too. I watched LBJ announce the he was not running for re-election, was ceasing the bombing of North Vietnam and wanted to initiate peace negotiations. LBJ escalated and then deescalated after he realized it was a folly. Nixon re-escalated and left it to Ford to lose it. Get your history straight. Johnson left office in January of 1969 and there were 12,000 deaths in 1969. 1969 was Nixon’s year. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/23 "2017-04-05T06:01:32Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > Obama drew a line and al-Assad crossed it. Obama foolishly asked Congress to authorize military force and Republicans said no. Yeah and what have we had; years of civil war and gas attacks against civilians (there have been many of these, the recent one is getting more traction just because it’s too big to sweep under the carpet. But no worries, it would have been worse if we had intervened right? We can always say that no matter what. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/24 "2017-04-05T07:49:13Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > > [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > > > Obama drew a line and al-Assad crossed it. Obama failed to respond. The Obama haters roasted him for it. > > Obama drew a line and al-Assad crossed it. Obama foolishly asked Congress to authorize military force and Republicans said no. Was this win-win for the GOP? Obama is a war-monger. Obama is also a coward. Or win-win for the Democrats? Obama tried to defeat the monster. The GOP preferred to stand back and watch children be nerve-gassed. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/25 "2017-04-05T08:25:03Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > [https://www.yahoo.com/news/islamic-state-says-u-being-run-idiot-162745864.html](https://www.yahoo.com/news/islamic-state-says-u-being-run-idiot-162745864.html) > > They are right that we have an idiot as President. ISIS just wants to suck him in. It will be Vietnam 10x over. I disagree. It’s not their territory, and there’s no nationalism at play here. Not a chance that it would be even remotely like Vietnam. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/26 "2017-04-05T10:33:57Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > “Innocent people will die”?? Who cares? Muslims don’t count. > [@septimus](#): > > Was this win-win for the GOP? > Obama is a war-monger. Obama is also a coward. > Or win-win for the Democrats? > Obama tried to defeat the monster. The GOP preferred to stand back and watch children be nerve-gassed. I might be missing something; if you start off with a _“Who cares? Muslims don’t count”_, then how do you get a win-win by pointing at nerve-gassed Muslims? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/27 "2017-04-05T11:15:41Z")
Tim Kaine (HRC’s running mate) is on TV right now telling us we have to bomb Assad in retaliation for the use of chemical weapons. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/28 "2017-04-05T11:18:38Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > I lived it too. I watched LBJ announce the he was not running for re-election, was ceasing the bombing of North Vietnam and wanted to initiate peace negotiations. > > LBJ escalated and then deescalated after he realized it was a folly. Nixon re-escalated and left it to Ford to lose it. Get your history straight. Johnson left office in January of 1969 and there were 12,000 deaths in 1969. 1969 was Nixon’s year. LBJ quit. While he was in office , he kept sending more and more kids over there to get killed. Anyone can “initiate” peace negotiations. The key is to finish them. You can’t do that when you quit. The Vietnam War was LBJ’s war. Maybe Kennedy would have done the same, but we’ll never know. Johnson is the guy who got us to \> 500,000 troops in Vietnam. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/29 "2017-04-05T11:46:54Z")
In other news, X-Files’ Gillian Anderson pens [self-help manifesto](https://www.thestar.com/life/2017/04/04/x-files-gillian-anderson-pens-self-help-manifesto.html). Whew! Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/30 "2017-04-05T12:26:21Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I might be missing something; if you start off with a _“Who cares? Muslims don’t count”_, then how do you get a win-win by pointing at nerve-gassed Muslims? It’s called Republican cognition. Logic and consistency don’t enter into it — Republioturds think with their amygdalae not their cerebra. [QUOTE=Top GOP philosopher, as reported by George Orwell] A Party member is required to have not only the right opinions, but the right instincts. Many of the beliefs and attitudes demanded of him are never plainly stated, and could not be stated without laying bare the contradictions inherent in Ingsoc. If he is a person naturally orthodox (in Newspeak a goodthinker), he will in all circumstances know, without taking thought, what is the true belief or the desirable emotion. But in any case an elaborate mental training, undergone in childhood and grouping itself round the Newspeak words crimestop, blackwhite, and doublethink, makes him unwilling and unable to think too deeply on any subject whatever. … there is need for an unwearying, moment-to-moment flexibility in the treatment of facts. The keyword here is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts. Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/31 "2017-04-05T14:38:38Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > LBJ quit. Didn’t he choose not to run again because he was ill with heart disease? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/32 "2017-04-05T15:07:01Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Didn’t he choose not to run again because he was ill with heart disease? That’s a minority view. From wikipedia: > [@](#): > > Historians have debated the factors that led to Johnson’s surprise decision. Shesol says Johnson wanted out of the White House but also wanted vindication; when the indicators turned negative he decided to leave.[235] Gould says that Johnson had neglected the party, was hurting it by his Vietnam policies, and underestimated McCarthy’s strength until the very last minute, when it was too late for Johnson to recover.[236] Woods said Johnson realized he needed to leave in order for the nation to heal.[237] Dallek says that Johnson had no further domestic goals, and realized that his personality had eroded his popularity. His health was not good, and he was preoccupied with the Kennedy campaign; his wife was pressing for his retirement and his base of support continued to shrink. Leaving the race would allow him to pose as a peacemaker.[238] Bennett, however, says Johnson "had been forced out of a reelection race in 1968 by outrage over his policy in Southeast Asia. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/33 "2017-04-05T15:35:17Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > I lived it too. I watched LBJ announce the he was not running for re-election, was ceasing the bombing of North Vietnam and wanted to initiate peace negotiations. > > LBJ escalated and then deescalated after he realized it was a folly. Nixon re-escalated and left it to Ford to lose it. Get your history straight. Johnson left office in January of 1969 and there were 12,000 deaths in 1969. 1969 was Nixon’s year. Let us never forget: [Nixon sabotaged the 1968 peace talks.](http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/notes-indicate-nixon-interfered-1968-peace-talks-180961627/) So a few more thousand draftees got put through the meat grinder. Tricky Dick got to be president. In a similar way, Reagan sabotaged Carter’s Iran hostage negotiations. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/34 "2017-04-05T17:00:33Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > In other news, X-Files’ Gillian Anderson pens [self-help manifesto](https://www.thestar.com/life/2017/04/04/x-files-gillian-anderson-pens-self-help-manifesto.html). > > Whew! > > Carry on. I’m guessing that “when acting, clear your throat and speak in a normal tone of voice” is not at the top of her list. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/35 "2017-04-06T00:50:10Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Is this going to be before or after we go to war with North Korea? Yes. Yes, it will. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2017, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/36 "2017-04-06T01:25:46Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Is this going to be before or after we go to war with North Korea? Wait, wait - what about the Bannon war with China. Where does that fit in? ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2017, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/37 "2017-04-06T01:49:15Z")
Too late …Obama took the bait and Trump has basically continued his plan. We’ve had a coordinated ground and air campaign running for a while now. The Iraq portion has a troop limit of 5,262 permanent forces but is likely up around 6000 when you include the “temporary” forces on shorter rotations. Syria has troop limits of just over 503 but is up around 900. We have US artillery units providing support in both countries at the moment. American conventional forces advisors are on the ground at Battalion level helping the Iraqis take back Mosul. IS is gradually getting defeated inside it’s home territory. The bigger problem is that they have affiliates spread outside of those two countries and increasingly have been focusing on those elements. That sends a big message about their level of confidence in defending their current territory. Hint, Obama had special operations forces working as advisors in a lot of them already. You are aware their are IS affiliates, and US troops targeting them, in Libya, Somalia, and Afghanistan right? Silly reality getting in the way of a good hypothetical and rant. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2017, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/38 "2017-04-06T02:03:25Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Have I called Trump an idiot? If so, it was hyperbolic, just like I call **Shodan** or **Clothahump** idiots even though clinically they probably have IQ’s at least high enough to qualify as mere morons. And that would be enough for either of us to be head and shoulders above your IQ level. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/39 "2017-04-07T02:31:20Z")
Looks like Assad beat ISIS to the punch. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765/40 "2017-04-07T02:53:16Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Looks like Assad beat ISIS to the punch. And a much more dangerous proposition, since Russia is behind him. This is the danger that so many have pointed out before now of having a capricious and unpredictable president. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-isis-fuckers-are-spoiling-for-a-fight-and-trump-will-take-the-bait/783765.md?page=3)