# These rants may come and go, but (mostly) civil complaints are forever! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 3, 2004, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497 "2004-01-03T18:38:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/21 "2004-01-03T21:49:07Z")
What? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/22 "2004-01-03T21:51:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kurdt Kobain \* > \*\*And to further explain, for the idiots: > > People were trolling me. I responded as they expected to me, negatively. > > Thus, I was feeding them. AAs to why I did it, it gave me a slight feeling of vindication, as they would troll me anyways, and in their small minds they would think it a victory if I didn’t reply. \*\* Clue #3. By continuing to respond in this thread, you are, indeed demonstrating to those you claim are trolling for you, that they have in fact succeeded in getting under your skin. By walking away and posting in other threads etc. you will (eventually) demonstrate to one and all, that your intent here is to enjoy the place, get along, have interesting conversations about a variety of topics. By continuing to respond in this thread (or by opening other ones of simliar ilk), you’ll be demonstrating that well worn stance of “I wanna have fun here and no one will stop bugging me”. And, since you’re not even doing **that** in a particularly interesting way, it’s doubtful you’d even be part of a **Fenris** swan song. Please, prove me wrong. really. You and I have (to the best of my recollection) not even commented to each other before. So, I doubt that you would be able to count me as one of the ones ‘trolling’ for you. Take well intentioned advice (it’s been offered by several of us so far in this thread). Email the mods/admins of this forum to please lock this thread, and go have fun in the other forums, or even respond to OP’s in other threads here in this one. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/23 "2004-01-03T21:55:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kurdt Kobain \* > \*\* > Since the equipment used for the internet exists in real life, they do exist togther in the sense we can feel and interact with the hardware. But can I interact with this thread like something I could in real life? No. \*\* The emotion felt through words, music, and graphics is very powerful. This includes the internet. 1’s and 0’s, all physical. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/24 "2004-01-03T22:03:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kurdt Kobain \* > \*\*But can I interact with this thread like something I could in real life? No. \*\* I imagine a crowd of people following you around, then pointing and laughing when you open your mouth WOULD be distracting. Bottom line is, your “poor me” schtick isn’t going to play, especially not here in the Pit. You’ve gotten some good advice from numerous posters and have chosen to ignore it. All that’s left is pointing and laughing. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/25 "2004-01-03T22:05:04Z")
Um… Kurdt… precisely what is it that you WANT, exactly? I’m a little confused, here. ---
**Author:** ![LifeInHIM86](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a4c791/32.png) [@LifeInHIM86](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeInHIM86)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/26 "2004-01-03T22:07:42Z")
**Kurdt** , Perhaps I intrude a bit here - but as you are putting these “grievances” very much in public you certainly cannot complain when the public responds. Many people who are much wiser than me have suggested that you either stop posting for a while, or at the very least stop posting about _yourself_ for a while. Do listen to them. I felt particularly inclined to say so to you, as you seem to believe that receiving a few negative responses to your “art” (not mocking, just using the word others have) Pit threads means everyone here hates you and they’re so terrible and you’re misunderstood. Only about 3 months ago, I too posted a pretty self-centered rant. (I didn’t call it art - in fact it was extremely hard to read - but I will let you search for it if you’re interested) You know, just as in your thread I am sure, in the thread I started there were responses both of sympathy and of “oh grow up.” That is to be expected. When one rather respected poster here pointed out that the boards are not the best medium for all my introspection, I apologized and found a better spot (cough _livejournal_ cough cough). Because I did the right thing and stopped posting about that, no one came along and bashed me in my thread. No one, to my knowledge, posted nasty things about me in any LJ or community there. Why? Because I apologized and moved on. You would be wise to do the same. Give people some time (and a reason) to dissociate your name with egocentric introspection and oooh-look-at-me art. It worked for me, it could work for you, if you’re willing. One final tip - If you must post additional information 3 minutes after you’ve just posted, you are not spending enough time considering what you’ve written before you press submit. Preview is your friend, as is taking a step back, waiting, revising, and then finally submitting. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/27 "2004-01-03T22:11:33Z")
> [@](#): > > Um… Kurdt… precisely what is it that you WANT, exactly? I’m a little confused, here. I think what he wants is more attention, **Master**. Which he’s clearly getting. Even a pile-on is attention. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/28 "2004-01-03T23:07:12Z")
**Kurdt** , I think the best advice for you to follow is right [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=4425627#post4425627). ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2004, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/29 "2004-01-03T23:33:18Z")
He’s already had plenty of good advice, both here and in MPSIMS. These aren’t the droids he’s looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Kurdt\_Kobain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/258eb7/32.png) [@Kurdt\_Kobain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kurdt_Kobain)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2004, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/30 "2004-01-04T00:44:53Z")
I don’t want negative attention, Mama Tiger. Regardless, assholes just love to shower me with it. Positive attention is good, but I’m not trying to be a ‘look at me, look at me’ guy. I just want peace, and a place to discuss things. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2004, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/31 "2004-01-04T00:54:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kurdt Kobain \* > \*\*I don’t want negative attention, Mama Tiger. Regardless, assholes just love to shower me with it. > > Positive attention is good, but I’m not trying to be a ‘look at me, look at me’ guy. > > I just want peace, and a place to discuss things. \*\* it would seem to this observer, though that if this indeed was your wish, you’d have taken the advice in this thread. But, you haven’t. and instead of ignoring the negative attention and going about your way, you’re fully participating in the taunt jaunt in your pit thread. Sigh. I tried. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Long\_Road](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@The\_Long\_Road](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Long_Road)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2004, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/32 "2004-01-04T00:56:58Z")
Kurdt, other people may give you grief but I love you man. You give me hope and inspire me every single day. If we only had more people like you, I would be much better off. See, when we reach the critical mass of people like you and society collapses, I’ll be there to move in and profit from the chaos. Please have lots of kids very soon. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2004, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/33 "2004-01-04T01:02:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Long Road \* > Please have lots of kids very soon. [channeling Cthulu] You think they’ll be _tasty_? [/channeling Cthulu] ---
**Author:** ![Kurdt\_Kobain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/258eb7/32.png) [@Kurdt\_Kobain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kurdt_Kobain)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2004, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/34 "2004-01-04T01:03:58Z")
wring, please understand. ok? ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2004, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/35 "2004-01-04T01:22:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kurdt Kobain \* > \*\*I don’t want negative attention, Mama Tiger. Regardless, assholes just love to shower me with it. > > Positive attention is good, but I’m not trying to be a ‘look at me, look at me’ guy. > > I just want peace, and a place to discuss things. \*\* Then don’t post “art”. It’s not particularly innovative, nor is the Reader obliged to provide an outlet for your “art”. If you want to post “art”, then get your own site. There’s plenty of free webhosting services. > [@](#): > > Lynn Bodoni, you mentioned in LJ that if a poster is writing in a way you do not like, they’re on thin ice, about to spiral out of control, about to break(one of your rules, that is). Why not make this an official rule? When you post in an irritating mannor, you’re being a jerk. The prime rule of the Straight Dope Message Board (it’s not just MY rule, it’s the board’s rule) is “DON’T BE A JERK”. Posting in a style that irritates people (and I was not the only one irritated by far) is jerkish behavior. If you think that people are “trolling” you, then use the “Report this post to a moderator” button. Don’t whine about it in public. For that matter, it’s NEVER a good idea to whine about anything in public. It makes you look extremely immature. If you want to change people’s perception of you, then you must change your behavior, and you must stick to your changed behavior, because the people who have noticed you have formed a bad impression of you. So you must work hard to change that impression. You can do this by offering THOUGHTFUL posts that are not about your own precious self. Quit talking about yourself, and maybe people will like you better, though I’m not guaranteeing it. ---
**Author:** ![Kurdt\_Kobain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/258eb7/32.png) [@Kurdt\_Kobain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kurdt_Kobain)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2004, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/36 "2004-01-04T01:26:55Z")
"When you post in an irritating mannor, you’re being a jerk. " OK, thank you for clarifying! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Road\_Rash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Road\_Rash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Road_Rash)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2004, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/37 "2004-01-04T01:50:39Z")
Actually Kurdt, I like to think of myself in the Dada school of art. I enjoy taking pretensious “art” work to an absurd level. I have envisioned sneaking into an art gallery…no, very illegal…I have envisioned sneaking around friends houses, and paint satellite dishes on their artwork. Imagine a wall full of Kinkaid paintings. Warm, lit houses on a winter’s day in a small town near a river with a windmill. I will paint satellite dishes on the roofs, the ground, in the wood behind the stream. So when I pornalized one of your posts, I was taking it to an even more absurd and entertaining level. Almost as absurd as the Jar Jar translation. Give me lip and I will do it again!! If you feel that the accusations of trolling, or of anything in violation of rules here, click on the “Report this post to a moderator.” If you really want to impress them, write it in a gothic prose form for full effect. Or take it from a Bad Dadaist, Sign your name as “Cecil Adams.” ---
**Author:** ![Road\_Rash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Road\_Rash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Road_Rash)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2004, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/38 "2004-01-04T02:08:26Z")
One of the great Dadaist posters of all time. By being banned, he became a [real martyr](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=1092037&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending). Far more entertaining. And a bunch of previewing to get it right. ---
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2004, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/39 "2004-01-04T06:32:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\* taunt jaunt \*\* That is FABULOUS. I picture a bunch of us dressed in khakis and pith helmets, like the classic image of British explorers, and following behind **Kurdt** on elephants and such, spouting insults. “Come on darling, time for the taunt jaunt!” ---
**Author:** ![Kurdt\_Kobain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/258eb7/32.png) [@Kurdt\_Kobain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kurdt_Kobain)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2004, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497/40 "2004-01-04T10:28:16Z")
As part of my promise to change, I must request this thread to be closed. It was a mistake. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-rants-may-come-and-go-but-mostly-civil-complaints-are-forever/222497.md?page=3)