# "These white supremacists make some good points." -The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 19, 2021, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307 "2021-04-19T14:59:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/1 "2021-04-19T14:59:47Z")
Everyone: That leaked America First Caucus document is super fucking racist. @The_Other_Waldo_Pepper: > [@Repubs have formed an openly racist caucus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/9): > > The OP’s quote says we’re “a nation with a border,” which I’m — okay with, I guess? Oh, “and a culture,” which — okay, sure. They also say that “societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported _en-masse_ into a country, particularly without institutional support for assimilation and an expansive welfare state to bail them out should they fail to contribute positively to the country,” which — sounds pretty sensible, actually. > > I’m not a fan of the Anglo-Saxon line, but, hey, I’m not a fan of the shit-for-brains line either. He goes on to make at least 70 posts over the course of the weekend defending this racist screed. This includes more than a little strawmanning… > [@Repubs have formed an openly racist caucus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/143): > > And then a someone comes along who says “contribute not only economically, but have demonstrated respect for this nation’s culture and rule of law”. And I say, well, I like two of those, but I’m raising an eyebrow at the bit about culture; maybe I’ll vote against that guy… > > …but if he’s running against someone who says, oh, hey, I disagree about culture, _and_ about contributing economically, _and_ about the rule of law, then I’m raising multiple eyebrows at that guy. And sealioning… > [@Repubs have formed an openly racist caucus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/176): > > Are the insults necessary? Maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he doesn’t realize he’s defending a white supremacist manifesto. > [@Repubs have formed an openly racist caucus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/302): > > OK. Do you agree that the people who made the statement you’ve been defending are white supremacists? > [@Repubs have formed an openly racist caucus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/306): > > That’s the way I’d bet about the people who made the statement — both the parts of the statement that I like, and the parts I dislike. If he’s not a white supremacist (and I have my doubts based on some of his previous posts on this board), he’s a white supremacist enabler which is just as bad. He’s a total piece of shit either way. Even the white supremacist congresspeople behind this document are backing away from it for crying out loud. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/2 "2021-04-19T15:04:32Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Even the white supremacist congresspeople behind this document are backing away from it for crying out loud. - Only because they made it too obvious, not because they disagree with it. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/3 "2021-04-19T15:04:39Z")
Huh. Did not expect him to actually say he agreed with parts of white supremacist rhetoric. Last I checked, he was still seeming to argue that it wasn’t really white supremacist. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/4 "2021-04-19T15:08:58Z")
I try to avoid arguments about hypotheticals these days because it’s so easy to fall down a rabbit hole like that, except it wasn’t all that hypothetical, and that isn’t a rabbit hole, it’s an ordinary big black circle hole in the ground with big orange barrels, sawhorses, and barbed wire blocking it off, and yellow and red striped danger signs posted every 3 feet around it. But the problem remains, if you try to objectively measure the imaginary constructs of those people who would commit suicide to defeat their enemies then you will end up in that hole anyway. So @The_Other_Waldo_Pepper, do yourself a favor, give yourself a slap upside your head and drop it now. ---
**Author:** ![thdudescar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thdudescar/32/4638_2.png) [@thdudescar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thdudescar)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/5 "2021-04-19T15:37:42Z")
Lance Turbo all but accused me of being a racist for accidentally referencing The Blaze. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/6 "2021-04-19T15:40:27Z")
oh shit dude. Where do we send the sympathy card? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/7 "2021-04-19T15:44:33Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > If he’s not a white supremacist (and I have my doubts based on some of his previous posts on this board), he’s a white supremacist enabler which is just as bad. He’s a total piece of shit either way. The thing is, _nobody needs him to start a rational discussion of the white supremacist manifesto_, because that’s not the thing that needs to happen. Someone serves me a plate with a lovely roast chicken wing, a perfectly baked potato, and a fresh, steaming turd, I don’t say, “Oh, the skin on that chicken is so crispy, and the potato is fluffy and wonderful, but I must say I don’t care for turds.” I tell them to get that plate the fuck out of my face, and I don’t eat anything else they serve ever again. That doesn’t mean I reject roast chicken or baked potatoes. It means that that plate is tainted. Similarly, if you send a document with two good points and one sooper racist point, I don’t need to analyze it. I reject that shit. Those two good points? Someone else can raise them, in another context, and we’ll have the discussion there. TOWP seems unaware of the complete unnecessity of discussing the good parts of that document. Nobody needs that done. If there are points in it that are good, they’ll be just as good when someone who’s not a racist asshole raises them in another context, and they can be discussed in that context. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/8 "2021-04-19T16:02:11Z")
> [@thdudescar](#): > > Lance Turbo all but accused me of being a racist for accidentally referencing The Blaze. LOL. You sound like a dumb mother fucker. “All but”? Wow. Did you ever recover? I’d love to see it in context, but a quick search doesn’t turn up any threads we’ve both posted in. However, I don’t care enough to try very hard to find it. Did you used to post under a different user name? ---
**Author:** ![thdudescar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thdudescar/32/4638_2.png) [@thdudescar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thdudescar)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/9 "2021-04-19T16:04:32Z")
I was making a point, but if you’d rather be a prick. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/10 "2021-04-19T16:07:23Z")
What point? That someone didn’t call you a racist? That someone criticized The Blaze? That dumb arguments are generally ignored and mocked when presented without cites? ---
**Author:** ![thdudescar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thdudescar/32/4638_2.png) [@thdudescar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thdudescar)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/11 "2021-04-19T16:08:43Z")
You’re correct it may have been under another name. I tried to look it up and couldn’t find it. Look up under the username **Doyle**. I believe you received a warning or some sort response from a mod. ---
**Author:** ![thdudescar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thdudescar/32/4638_2.png) [@thdudescar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thdudescar)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/12 "2021-04-19T16:11:29Z")
Let us see if Lance Turbo responds to my upthread response. If I remembered incorrectly, I will apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/13 "2021-04-19T16:13:53Z")
Here’s the post. It’s my only post in that thread. > [@Now they want to ban the sale of pointed kitchen knives in the UK to reduce knife crime.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-they-want-to-ban-the-sale-of-pointed-kitchen-knives-in-the-uk-to-reduce-knife-crime/841606/61): > > Will you? Starting threads based on disreputable right wing glurge sites is kind of your jam. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![thdudescar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thdudescar/32/4638_2.png) [@thdudescar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thdudescar)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/14 "2021-04-19T16:16:32Z")
Is there a response from a mod? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/15 "2021-04-19T16:17:12Z")
I linked to the fucking thread. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/16 "2021-04-19T16:23:25Z")
> [@thdudescar](#): > > You’re correct it may have been under another name. I tried to look it up and couldn’t find it. Look up under the username **Doyle**. I believe you received a warning or some sort response from a mod. I don’t understand. You have two user names? That’s not allowed. If that’s the case, I suggest you contact the mods and get that situation rectified. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/17 "2021-04-19T16:25:11Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I suggest you contact the mods and get that situation rectified. Don’t worry. The mods have already been contacted. ---
**Author:** ![thdudescar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thdudescar/32/4638_2.png) [@thdudescar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thdudescar)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/18 "2021-04-19T16:26:30Z")
It all happened during the big change over. Somehow, I couldn’t get back into my old account and created a new one. ---
**Author:** ![thdudescar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thdudescar/32/4638_2.png) [@thdudescar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thdudescar)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/19 "2021-04-19T16:33:31Z")
Bone did tell you to knock it off. However, I will apologize for my exaggerated response. I somehow remembered it as being taken as a right wing agitator. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/20 "2021-04-19T16:41:00Z")
Yeah, and I was not even in the ballpark of, “All but calling you a racist.” You started a thread based on a Blaze article and you were getting called out by a lot of posters for taking anything from that garbage source seriously. You said you didn’t know that it was a shit source and would remember that in the future. I asked if you would remember because I recalled that the exact same shit happened three years previously when you started a thread based on a Breitbart article (by fucking Milo). Absolutely nothing about race. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307.md?page=2)