# "These white supremacists make some good points." -The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 19, 2021, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307 "2021-04-19T14:59:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![thdudescar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thdudescar/32/4638_2.png) [@thdudescar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thdudescar)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/21 "2021-04-19T16:48:58Z")
Thank you for the civil response. While I have no fondness for for Glen Beck, it was hardly his exclusive story. It was all over the media. Concerning the Breitbart article, I just thought it was an interesting article and worthy of discussion. Bottom line is I should be very wary of any sources, both right and left. I’m pretty much a nonpolitical person who doesn’t grind the media. Live and learn. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/22 "2021-04-19T16:52:27Z")
Also, learn to not accuse people of doing things they did not do. This does not go over very well. Also, learn to not create multiple accounts on SDMB. Learning is good! ---
**Author:** ![thdudescar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thdudescar/32/4638_2.png) [@thdudescar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thdudescar)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/23 "2021-04-19T16:54:55Z")
I can do that. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/24 "2021-04-19T17:05:09Z")
I mean, your point is really goddamned stupid, so I’ll make fun of you for it. If I’m a prick for making fun of people someone who says narcissistic self-pitying things and turns an entire thread about someone else into an attempted pity-party, call me Long Dong Silver. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/25 "2021-04-19T19:45:23Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Learning is good! LOL. In my previous interaction with him I didn’t call him a racist, but I did imply that he’s a poor learner. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/26 "2021-04-19T20:13:11Z")
He may be a poor learner, but he’s good at derailing pittings. Racist Waldo is probably paying him under the table. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/27 "2021-04-19T20:29:51Z")
Getting back on topic, who cares if white supremacists make some good points? There are other people who are not white supremacists making the same good points. To borrow Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness’ analogy, if I go to the table and see some plates have roast chicken and a baked potato and some plates have roast chicken, a baked potato, and a turd, I’m not going to pick one of the plates with a turd. If you wanted roast chicken and a potato, you could have taken any plate. If you chose a plate with a turd, it’s because you wanted that turd even if you won’t admit it out loud. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/28 "2021-04-19T20:31:11Z")
‘Look, I admit the whole “Let’s kill all the Jews!” is a little over the top, but you must admit the economic policies of Mr. Hitler are the best way to see a prosperous Germany in 1946!’ ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/29 "2021-04-19T20:33:52Z")
I’d accuse you folks of falling into a Godwin’s Law situation but to be honest the RepubliQanons like MGT (not a typo this time, this time it’s a slur) are arm-in-arm with actual Neo-Nazis so you are forgiven. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/30 "2021-04-19T20:37:52Z")
Hey, if we weren’t supposed to make comparisons involving Nazis or Hitler it would be Godwin’s Suggestion not Godwin’s Law! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/31 "2021-04-19T20:40:39Z")
[Mike Godwin](https://gizmodo.com/godwin-of-godwins-law-by-all-means-compare-these-shi-1797807646) on the American RW : > **By all means, compare these shitheads to the Nazis. Again and again. I’m with you.** ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/32 "2021-04-19T20:42:59Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I’d accuse you folks of falling into a Godwin’s Law situation but to be honest the RepubliQanons like MGT (not a typo this time, this time it’s a slur) are arm-in-arm with actual Neo-Nazis so you are forgiven. When your political ideology supports violently overthrowing the government so your leader can assume power and protect your nation’s racial purity, the comparisons to Nazism are going to happen. Admittedly, the swastikas were also a pointer. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/33 "2021-04-19T20:44:07Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Hey, if we weren’t supposed to make comparisons involving Nazis or Hitler it would be Godwin’s Suggestion not Godwin’s Law! Stealing that ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/34 "2021-04-19T21:03:49Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > When your political ideology supports violently overthrowing the government so your leader can assume power and protect your nation’s racial purity, the comparisons to Nazism are going to happen. Admittedly, the swastikas were also a pointer. As it was the proto-Nazis, the American Confederates and then the enforcers of the Jim Crow laws. > **[What the Nazis Learned from Jim Crow: Author Isabel Wilkerson on the U.S....](https://www.democracynow.org/2020/8/12/caste_isabel_wilkerson)** > > In her extensively researched new book, “Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents,” Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Isabel Wilkerson argues the United States’ racial hierarchy should be thought of as a caste system, similar to that in India. In a... ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/35 "2021-04-19T21:25:04Z")
I’ll say something for **Waldo Pepper:** Generally, if you invite people to respond with their viewpoints on a controversial matter, then you owe them a certain amount of good faith to hear them out, since you gave the invitation. (Not “you” as in you personally, OP, but in general.) Waldo Pepper didn’t start that “racist caucus” thread; someone else did, and then **Czarcasm** chimed in saying that he’d like to hear out what Republicans had to say about the topic. And so Waldo Pepper obliged. It’s not as if Waldo Pepper himself started the thread and said, “the GOP just did a good thing by proposing this caucus.” Had he said that, then for him to be pitted would only be natural. I’m not a fan of Fidel Castro or his regime, for instance, by analogy. But if I announce, “I would like to hear what any supporters of Castro have to say,” then I owe any Castro supporters who do give a reply a certain amount of courtesy and good faith. It wouldn’t be fair for me to say, “I want to hear some pro-Castro arguments,” then promptly blast people for giving me…the very pro-Fidel arguments I asked for. That would be disingenuous. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/36 "2021-04-19T21:40:39Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Waldo Pepper didn’t start that “racist caucus” thread; someone else did, and then **Czarcasm** chimed in saying that he’d like to hear out what Republicans had to say about the topic. And so Waldo Pepper obliged. > > It’s not as if Waldo Pepper himself started the thread and said, “the GOP just did a good thing by proposing this caucus.”Had he said that, then for him to be pitted would only be natural. > > I’m not a fan of Fidel Castro or his regime, for instance, by analogy. But if I announce, “I would like to hear what any supporters of Castro have to say,” then I owe any Castro supporters who do give a reply a certain amount of courtesy and good faith. Czarcasm didn’t say ‘I would like to hear what any supporters of this caucus document had to say’. Czarcasm asked, not very politely but hey the thread’s in the Pit, what Republicans in general had to say. Quite a lot of Republicans have come out in public against the proposed caucus, some of them quite vehemently. That isn’t what Waldo Pepper had to say. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/37 "2021-04-19T21:42:54Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I’m not a fan of Fidel Castro or his regime, for instance, by analogy. But if I announce, “I would like to hear what any supporters of Castro have to say,” then I owe any Castro supporters who do give a reply a certain amount of courtesy and good faith. It wouldn’t be fair for me to say, “I want to hear some pro-Castro arguments,” then promptly blast people for giving me…the very pro-Fidel arguments I asked for. That would be disingenuous. Nah, as a Hispanic American with liberal ideas, I would shoot down those pro-Fidel arguments… What? You thought that centrists or liberals are communists like the caricature right-wingers use every time? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/38 "2021-04-19T21:44:16Z")
Waldo replied to the following request (and immediately started playing word games): > [@Repubs have formed an openly racist caucus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/repubs-have-formed-an-openly-racist-caucus/940207/2): > > Any of you shit-for-brains Republicans want to comment on this? He knew what he was doing, and it wasn’t engaging in good faith debate about immigration policy. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/39 "2021-04-19T21:55:19Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > It’s not as if Waldo Pepper himself started the thread and said, “the GOP just did a good thing by proposing this caucus.” Had he said that, then for him to be pitted would only be natural. This is the Straight Dope. Any opinion is open for debate, solicited or not. That’s The whole point of these boards. And white supremacist views, when expressed, are always Pit-worthy. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307/40 "2021-04-19T21:55:19Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Generally, if you invite people to respond with their viewpoints on a controversial matter, then you owe them a certain amount of good faith to hear them out, since you gave the invitation. (Not “you” as in you personally, OP, but in general.) I agree. I’d rather debate the points of an issue than just exchange insults. But sometimes debating an issue includes pointing out how weak the argument in support of one side of the issue is. The people who support that side are, of course, free to offer evidence that the argument is stronger. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/these-white-supremacists-make-some-good-points-the-other-waldo-pepper/940307.md?page=3)