# they are butchering back to the future on abc family **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 12, 2010, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948 "2010-06-12T19:40:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PSXer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/1 "2010-06-12T19:40:23Z")
How can they do such a thing to a beloved classic. If you don’t show Doc getting shot, the rest of the movie isn’t gonna make any sense. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/2 "2010-06-12T20:24:48Z")
Last time I watched Willy Wonka on ABC Family, they cut out the boat scene. And this airing was after midnight! I don’t get it. Their own original series are full of all sorts of content that doesn’t really qualify as “family friendly”. ---
**Author:** ![PSXer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/3 "2010-06-12T20:35:45Z")
They edited out every usage of the word “terrorist” I guess they don’t want to offend any terrorists ---
**Author:** ![PSXer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/4 "2010-06-12T22:05:47Z")
they edited out Marty shooting all the guys in Wild Gunman. seriously? why is Doc doing so much to help Marty? He did all this investigation in the future about Marty’s kids, and traced all the troubles back to Marty Jr. getting arrested. So he did a lot to interfere with time for Marty’s benefit. Isn’t he being irresponsible with time travel? In Movie 1 he was all against having too much knowledge of future events. So I guess that Doc is trying to repay Marty for saving his life in movie 1, so he fixes Marty life how he can. So then, why doesn’t he tell him about the car accident? The car accident is a big cause of Marty’s troubles. If Doc wants to improve Marty’s life, he should stop this accident. But he doesn’t. When he lets it slip accidentally in part 3, he refuses to tell Marty more. So maybe he knows that stopping this accident won’t stop Marty’s troubles. it will just fix a symptom, not a cure. The real thing to do is to teach Marty not to get upset when someone calls him a chicken. For that is why he entered the race anyway, and that is why he swiped his card for Needles’ illegal transaction. So even if Doc tells Marty about the accident, he still won’t fix his problem. So the only logical conclusion is that Doc orchestrated the entire events of the third movie. He pretended to be stuck in 1885. He pretended to have a dispute with Mad Dog over a matter of $80. He set up a fake gravestone about his death so Marty would come back in time to save him, and he told Mad Dog to call Marty yellow. All this so Marty would overcome his problem of losing his reason when called a name. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/5 "2010-06-12T22:58:57Z")
The timeline was _already_ screwed up after the first movie – remember, Marty’s dad becomes a successful author instead of a chump, his brother is a suit instead of a petty thief, and Marty gets that cool 4x4. So I’m guessing that 1985-Doc saw no particular moral prohibition of screwing with the timeline further to help Marty. After all, maybe it was the original changes from the first movie that led to Marty’s future predicament. He learns his lesson, though. Silly Doc. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/6 "2010-06-12T23:01:32Z")
BTW: There really needs to be a second BTTF trilogy. It should have Marty’s niece or something (his daughter is too ugly to be a hero.) And she should get stuck in the roaring 20s. Biff could be a low-level goon working for Al Capone. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/7 "2010-06-12T23:05:54Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > BTW: There really needs to be a second BTTF trilogy. It should have Marty’s niece or something (his daughter is too ugly to be a hero.) And she should get stuck in the roaring 20s. Biff could be a low-level goon working for Al Capone. Better yet: A prequel trilogy. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/8 "2010-06-12T23:36:47Z")
> [@PSXer](#): > > How can they do such a thing to a beloved classic. > > If you don’t show Doc getting shot, the rest of the movie isn’t gonna make any sense. Dude, watch it on laserdisc like every other movie you talk about on here. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2010, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/9 "2010-06-12T23:53:28Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > The timeline was _already_ screwed up after the first movie – remember, Marty’s dad becomes a successful author instead of a chump, his brother is a suit instead of a petty thief, and Marty gets that cool 4x4. So I’m guessing that 1985-Doc saw no particular moral prohibition of screwing with the timeline further to help Marty. After all, maybe it was the original changes from the first movie that led to Marty’s future predicament. > > He learns his lesson, though. Silly Doc. My hypothesis is that the trip we see in BTF I is not the first trip Marty took to the past; it’s the second. In the original history, Marty went to the past by accident and prevented his father from becoming the successful author he “was” originally, as well as causing other changes to the timeline. Doc manipulates the situation to correct that. ---
**Author:** ![PSXer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2010, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/10 "2010-06-13T00:08:26Z")
I only have BTTF1 on laserdisc, but I also have the complete trilogy on DVD and VHS ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/11 "2010-06-14T15:32:11Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > his brother is a suit instead of a petty thief, Um, his brother works at McDonalds (or some fast food place), he’s not a petty thief. Are you maybe thinking of uncle Joey? In 2015, are faxes really going to look like that? ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/12 "2010-06-14T15:54:25Z")
I saw the end of BTTF3 on ABC Family yesterday, and apparently all the other stuff they cut was worse than the creepy kid pointing at his junk at the end – they left that in 😃 [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/zq5-6PkVGCg/maxresdefault.jpg "Creepy Kid from Back To The Future 3 points to his flux capacitor") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq5-6PkVGCg) ---
**Author:** ![PSXer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/13 "2010-06-14T15:58:17Z")
is that why they call him “Jules” ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/14 "2010-06-14T17:03:14Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > My hypothesis is that the trip we see in BTF I is not the first trip Marty took to the past; it’s the second. In the original history, Marty went to the past by accident and prevented his father from becoming the successful author he “was” originally, as well as causing other changes to the timeline. Doc manipulates the situation to correct that. That makes abosultely no sense whatsoever. How could Marty have used the DeLorean the first time if Doc just barely finished making it? I think Doc would notice if Marty stole the DeLorean (opk, I guess he could bring it back like one second after he stole it, but he still would have had to get it out of the garage, drive it up to 88, and then after it’s back, ut it back in the garage.) It’s also been shown to us, the viewier, that when a time traveler makes a change to the timeline, they are completly aware of it…the timeline changes “around” them. As long as they don’t do anything that stops their existance (like Marty did in BTTF I) they will still be around and notice not everything is right. So if Marty did make some unseen trip, he would have either known it, if he didn’t stop his own existance, or he would not exist, and no one would realize he didn’t exist, unless somehow that first trip he made was WITH Doc, who saw Marty fade, and hatched a very convuluted plan to get Marty to accidentally go back in time after seeing him get shot, and just hoping that Marty would somehow make everything right. And also, how could George have been an author if the inspiration for his first novel was Marty, in his radiation suit, pretending to be Darth Vader from the planet Vulcan blasting trash metal in his ears? (BTW, I always wondered what George McFly must have thought when he finally saw Star Wars and Star Trek…I can only assume that it solidly confirmed to him that yes, he WAS visited by an alien, and that alien also visited George Lucas and Gene Roddenberry. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/15 "2010-06-14T17:55:40Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > (BTW, I always wondered what George McFly must have thought when he finally saw Star Wars and Star Trek…I can only assume that it solidly confirmed to him that yes, he WAS visited by an alien, and that alien also visited George Lucas and Gene Roddenberry. He would have believed George Lucas was a plagiarist, successfully sued the pants off him, and the prequel trilogy would have never been made. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/16 "2010-06-14T20:23:30Z")
A trivia note. Before Doc Brown was shoot, he planned on traveling twenty-five years into the future for his first trip. Which means he would have arrived on October 25, 2010. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2010, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/17 "2010-06-15T00:01:43Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > A trivia note. Before Doc Brown was shoot, he planned on traveling twenty-five years into the future for his first trip. Which means he would have arrived on October 25, 2010. Heavy! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2010, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/18 "2010-06-15T00:26:41Z")
> [@troub](#): > > I saw the end of BTTF3 on ABC Family yesterday, and apparently all the other stuff they cut was worse than the creepy kid pointing at his junk at the end – they left that in 😃 > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq5-6PkVGCg](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq5-6PkVGCg) Now, I can never unsee that moment. What a creepy little kid. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2010, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/19 "2010-06-15T01:24:48Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > BTW: There really needs to be a second BTTF trilogy. It should have Marty’s niece or something (his daughter is too ugly to be a hero.) And she should get stuck in the roaring 20s. Biff could be a low-level goon working for Al Capone. There’s always the cartoon series. That was actually my first exposure to the universe. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2010, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948/20 "2010-06-15T01:50:22Z")
Something I’ve wondered: the Doc Brown who goes back to 1885 and marries Clara (Mary Steenbergen) would be the Doc Brown from 1985, not 1955, right? If so then he’s got to have a few years on Clara and be a bit long in the tooth to have kids. He’s middle aged in 1955 which means he’d be at least around 65 in 1985 and in 1885 and in his 70s when he visits Marty in 1985 at the end of BTTF3 in his spacetrain. She’s a courageous woman to head into space with a 75 year old man at the controls. Maybe somehow he rustled up some Viagra and rejuvenating machine back in the Old West. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-butchering-back-to-the-future-on-abc-family/542948.md?page=2)