# THEY are the fascists, the traitors and the anti-ameircan liars **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665 "2009-08-07T17:41:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/181 "2009-08-10T00:45:10Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Cite? And you. The Ann Coulter of the SDMB. You have no standing to oppose him whatsoever. Your ideas have failed. It is time for new leadership. And the problem with Democrats is that they don’t like leaders. That’s why they manage to set themselves up to run the whole shebang, and then step on each other’s toes more than teenagers at a prom dance. The only thing your party is hanging on for is waiting for the Democrats to self-destruct. And then you’ll step in with your fucking nose in my crotch, demanding to know what I’m doing all the time. Your papers, please! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/182 "2009-08-10T00:50:00Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Obama doesn’t want public health care as an option, he wants it as a mandate for everybody. :rolleyes: **IF ONLY!** What legislation package are **you** looking at? ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/183 "2009-08-10T00:53:27Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > And you. The Ann Coulter of the SDMB. You have no standing to oppose him whatsoever. Your ideas have failed. It is time for new leadership. And the problem with Democrats is that they don’t like leaders. That’s why they manage to set themselves up to run the whole shebang, and then step on each other’s toes more than teenagers at a prom dance. The only thing your party is hanging on for is waiting for the Democrats to self-destruct. And then you’ll step in with your fucking nose in my crotch, demanding to know what I’m doing all the time. Your papers, please! As an American, and as a voter, and as a taxpayer, I have EVERY standing to oppose him. So, was Obama lying when he campaigned for single payer, or is he lying now, when he obstensibly doesn’t want it? n.b. you can’t have it both ways. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/184 "2009-08-10T00:57:40Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :rolleyes: **IF ONLY!** What legislation package are **you** looking at? The one he campaigned on. 2:16 in the video link. Enuf said. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/185 "2009-08-10T00:57:53Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I’m saying that he has the wisdom, the leadership, and the courage to get the job done if we would just get the hell out of his way and let him do it. Looks like someone needs to watch the little cartoon about how a bill becomes a law again. HINT: The President’s role only comes in at the very end. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/186 "2009-08-10T00:59:27Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > As an American, and as a voter, and as a taxpayer, I have EVERY standing to oppose him. Your vote is finished. The decision has been made. You should be ashamed for opposing the President of your country. > [@](#): > > So, was Obama lying when he campaigned for single payer, or is he lying now, when he obstensibly doesn’t want it? n.b. you can’t have it both ways. Don’t be so stupid with your false dichotomies. Times change. Leaders shouldn’t be cardboard cut-outs that cannot change with the times. Politics is the art of compromise. A change in position does not mean there has been a lie of any kind at any time. It means that he is willing to grow and learn, and change his mind when people with good arguments convince him that he is wrong. We should have more people like him right here on our board. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/187 "2009-08-10T01:01:27Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Looks like someone needs to watch the little cartoon about how a bill becomes a law again. HINT: The President’s role only comes in at the very end. And at the very beginning. It is his leadership that helps Congress to mold the laws it submits to him. Congress can’t lead. 500 people can’t lead. Only one can lead. Congress should get its head out of its ass and stop squabbling over piddly shit. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/188 "2009-08-10T01:08:16Z")
But it looks like many people in Congress don’t like his healthcare plan. Or are they not included in the “we” that should “get the hell out of his way”? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/189 "2009-08-10T01:10:41Z")
They ESPECIALLY are included. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/190 "2009-08-10T01:12:52Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Your vote is finished. The decision has been made. You should be ashamed for opposing the President of your country. No, it’s not, no, it hasn’t , and no I shouldn’t. Seek help. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/191 "2009-08-10T01:13:16Z")
Wouldn’t say “get out of the way!” Will say “Lead, follow, or get out of the way!” ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/192 "2009-08-10T01:25:33Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > They ESPECIALLY are included. OK, dude, that’s what I’m saying. You want Congress to “get out of the way.” But this crazy system we’ve set up says that Congress makes the laws. So, it’s completely insane to say that Congress should “get out of the way” so the President can lead–Congress makes the laws. If Congress doesn’t want to make a new law that the President wants, then that’s not “getting in the way,” that’s just doing what Congress does (i.e., to make laws or decide not to make them). Also: best schoolhouse rock parody ever: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdsUI2GUILQ](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdsUI2GUILQ) ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/193 "2009-08-10T01:40:39Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Your vote is finished. The decision has been made. You should be ashamed for opposing the President of your country. Right. That’s why I never opposed anything Bush did. I wonder why my democrat friends were so pissed? ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/194 "2009-08-10T01:43:31Z")
I think thay all members of congress that vote in favour of whatever the plan is shoul immediately get out of wahtever healthcare/insurance plan the have -including the sweet one they get in Congress- and get the “regular” one they vote for, including their family. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/195 "2009-08-10T02:06:19Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > You should be ashamed for opposing the President of your country. You should be ashamed of making such a statement. That’s a really heinous thing to say, **Lib**. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/196 "2009-08-10T02:13:44Z")
R3phubl1c4ns R th4 gh3y ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/197 "2009-08-10T02:46:03Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Your vote is finished. The decision has been made. You should be ashamed for opposing the President of your country. It’s difficult to believe, based on a cursory familiarity with your posting history, that you would make such a statement without irony. And I can’t help but wonder, in all seriousness, whether the new-found medication you’ve publicly praised for its therapeutic effects might be having other, more profound side effects, of which you may not even be aware. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/198 "2009-08-10T02:48:10Z")
Seriously. “We’ve switched Liberal’s usual medication for a lightly scented mixture of vinegar and water. Let’s see if the SDMB notices.” ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/199 "2009-08-10T02:51:04Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Wouldn’t say “get out of the way!” Will say “Lead, follow, or get out of the way!” Well, that’ll do. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/200 "2009-08-10T02:54:16Z")
I don’t think any of us know **Lib** well enough to make any such suggestion. **Lib** , if this stuff makes you well, or even makes you feel well, your political persuasions are trivia. Unless, of course, you start posting paens of admiration for Andy Jackson. Then, we’re gonna have us a little talk. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665.md?page=11)