# THEY are the fascists, the traitors and the anti-ameircan liars **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665 "2009-08-07T17:41:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/341 "2009-08-14T15:29:11Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Right. But I’m not sure what that has to do with the point I was making: the spy was carrying around graven images, a thing against the law he taught. I believe Jesus also didn’t follow all the laws, He made exceptions and was not a letter of the law follower. He refered to David eating the temple bread because he was starving. Stood up for the woman in adultry and asked the one with out sin to throw the first stone. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/342 "2009-08-14T17:36:55Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Unlike **Guin** , who sits on her fat ass all day while posting on the computer, you and I are paying thousands of dollars in taxes each year. Yet she lectures us how we’re “mean” and “selfish.” :rolleyes: She claims she can’t contribute to society because she doesn’t have health insurance (LOL!), which is a load of BS. Looks like Guin doesn’t need to worry about partnering up with RR for a nice two-minute grudgefuck… could you two keep the slurping noises to a minimum please? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/343 "2009-08-14T17:39:03Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > She claims she can’t contribute to society because she doesn’t have health insurance (LOL!), which is a load of BS. Cite? :dubious: **Enfant Terrible** , why did you have to put that image into my head? Oh, and btw, people, once again, I am NOT fat. There are pictures of me in the self-portrait threads, and Dopers who have met me can attest to that. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/344 "2009-08-14T17:41:40Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Cite? :dubious: > > **Enfant Terrible** , why did you have to put that image into my head? > > Oh, and btw, people, once again, I am NOT fat. There are pictures of me in the self-portrait threads, and Dopers who have met me can attest to that. Yeah, but stereotyping is so much easier. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/345 "2009-08-14T18:11:52Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Unlike **Guin** , who sits on her fat ass all day while posting on the computer, you and I are paying thousands of dollars in taxes each year. Yet she lectures us how we’re “mean” and “selfish.” :rolleyes: She claims she can’t contribute to society because she doesn’t have health insurance (LOL!), which is a load of BS. Oh, do tax dollars count as votes now? I’m paying tens of thousands a year, and my votes say you are mean and selfish - and stupid, to boot. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/346 "2009-08-14T18:29:06Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Cite? :dubious: > > **Enfant Terrible** , why did you have to put that image into my head? > > Oh, and btw, people, once again, I am NOT fat. There are pictures of me in the self-portrait threads, and Dopers who have met me can attest to that. Because I just invested sixty large in brain bleach and am trying to drum up a little business. Bush recession, you know. No, you’re not fat that I’ve seen… what kind of Mr. Magoo-visioned knucklehead thinks that? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/347 "2009-08-14T19:03:38Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Stood up for the woman in adultry and asked the one with out sin to throw the first stone. Actually, that was added to the bible in the 200s, if I recall correctly. Possibly from oral tradition, but definitely inserted into the text. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/348 "2009-08-14T20:12:45Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Oh, do tax dollars count as votes now? I’m paying tens of thousands a year, and my votes say you are mean and selfish - and stupid, to boot. Aren’t you cute with your “tens” of thousands in taxes. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/349 "2009-08-14T20:25:36Z")
Sure got your attention, now didn’t it. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/350 "2009-08-14T21:42:20Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I believe Jesus also didn’t follow all the laws, He made exceptions and was not a letter of the law follower. He refered to David eating the temple bread because he was starving. Stood up for the woman in adultry and asked the one with out sin to throw the first stone. Yes. I agree. I hope our last few exchanges have helped to heal wounds that might be festering from a distant past. Perhaps you and I can find even more common ground as time goes by. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/351 "2009-08-14T21:50:56Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Aren’t you cute with your “tens” of thousands in taxes. Umm, what’s your point? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/352 "2009-08-14T21:56:35Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Umm, what’s your point? Rand wants to suggest that he pays _hundreds of thousands_ in taxes, because he’s a bigshot see? More likely he works at a grocery store and has never kissed a girl. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/353 "2009-08-14T22:00:59Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Rand wants to suggest that he pays _hundreds of thousands_ in taxes, because he’s a bigshot see? Oh I get that. What I want to know is **What’s his point?**. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/354 "2009-08-14T22:08:51Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Oh I get that. What I want to know is **What’s his point?**. Anyone else starting to picture him as Mr. Burns? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/355 "2009-08-14T22:09:53Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > The Tenth Amendment. Can you provide some evidence, such as case law, indicating tha tthe purpose of the 10th Amendment is to say the federal government can’t do anything the Constitution doesn’t specifically say it CAN do? Because that’s not what it says. In fact, the framers deliberately left out language that would have specifically said that. If in fact the 10th Amendment means what you claim it to mean, please explain the existence of the EPA. Or the Interstate system. Or federal safety regulations. Or the FBI. Are all those things unconstitutional? ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/356 "2009-08-14T22:22:30Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > If in fact the 10th Amendment means what you claim it to mean, please explain the existence of the EPA. Or the Interstate system. Or federal safety regulations. Or the FBI. Are all those things unconstitutional? Yes, it is my opinion they are. I don’t have a problem with the EPA. As long as you pass an Amendment that gives the federal government the authority to create it. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/357 "2009-08-14T23:08:21Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Aren’t you cute with your “tens” of thousands in taxes. My point, dope, is that the amount you pay in taxes doesn’t give you an extra votes or any extra credibility. That depends on the quality of your argument, and in that respect you are a pauper. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/358 "2009-08-14T23:09:40Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Anyone else starting to picture him as Mr. Burns? Mr. Burns actually made money at some point, so he’s much better. Also more moral than our Rand is. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/359 "2009-08-14T23:14:40Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > My point, dope, is that the amount you pay in taxes doesn’t give you an extra votes or any extra credibility. In fact, a tax lawyer worth a damn would find a way not to pay _any_. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/360 "2009-08-14T23:19:50Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Yes, it is my opinion they are. > > I don’t have a problem with the EPA. As long as you pass an Amendment that gives the federal government the authority to create it. Man, I believe you. After all, that Constitutional Law degree you got for 10 boxtops and 35 cents in change makes you eminently qualified to refute 200 years of Supreme Court decisions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665.md?page=19)