# THEY are the fascists, the traitors and the anti-ameircan liars

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**Created:** [August 7, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665 "2009-08-07T17:41:46Z")\
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**Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-the-fascists-the-traitors-and-the-anti-ameircan-liars/505665/47 "2009-08-08T16:38:07Z")

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> [@Crafter\_Man](#):
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> There are some people out there who believe we must fight against socialism. I am one of those people.

Crafter\_Man, I am curious about your views. What does socialism mean to you? You said in another thread that socialism is evil because you believe in the free individual.

Here is the quote for you:

> [@Why are conservatives such dicks?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-conservatives-such-dicks/505657/100):
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> Socialism already has a definition – look it up. Why do I need to re-define it?
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> As for why I believe it is evil… because I believe in the free individual. What would be more interesting is why you believe socialism is such a good thing.

I used your “let me google that for you” link (which, btw, is cool) and went to the first entry: wikipedia. Wikipedia seems to have a good definition of socialism. [Here](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism) is a taste:

[QUOTE=Wikipedia]  
Socialism refers to any one of various theories of economic organization advocating state, public or common worker ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a more egalitarian method of compensation.\<snip\>  
[/QUOTE]  
Fair enough. I am not for socialism either. I think it would be a bad idea and I would fight against it also. To me, free market capitalism seems to be a much better system.

Now that that is over, I have two questions for you:

1. What does socialism have to do with individual freedom?
2. What does the health care plan under discussion have to do with socialism?

Finally, some bonus questions:

1. What do you think of Medicare? Are you going to partake when you are over 65? Would you eliminate Medicare, SCHip and medicaid if you could? What about the VA hospitals?

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