# They are trying it again- Ten Commandments **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 20, 2024, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134 "2024-06-20T20:54:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/61 "2024-06-21T18:47:59Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > You’d think people would be up in arms with the politicians editing the Bible like that. You’ve made me wonder how [Conservapedia is coming along with their rewriting of the Bible](https://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project). ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/62 "2024-06-21T18:53:29Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It is the same commandments, just the numbering and is different and a few words. > [@RitterSport](#): > > The Louisiana version is not even the real KJV Ten Commandments. You’d think people would be up in arms with the politicians editing the Bible like that. Do you think this is a purposeful attempt to sidestep the law? As in, “We get the ‘Ten Commandments’ cannot be in school but what we put in is different.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/63 "2024-06-21T18:54:54Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > If the Ten Commandments was in a classroom in the early years of the republic then they should be there now they would (probably) claim. I guess we’re well on the way to “Slavery was a historical fact in the early years of the republic, so therefore we should be able to keep slaves now.” ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/64 "2024-06-21T18:56:57Z")
Yeah it’s been mentioned before, it’s sort of a genericized Protestant version apparently to not be attributed to one or another Bible translation. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/65 "2024-06-21T19:02:06Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I guess we’re well on the way to “Slavery was a historical fact in the early years of the republic, so therefore we should be able to keep slaves now.” Dont be ridiculous. But certainly schools can teach slavery was a thing- altho of course the Conservatives would rather it be forgotten. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/66 "2024-06-21T19:12:04Z")
There’s a direct slippery line from the Supreme Court’s bullshit decisions based on historical precedent and my hypothetical. You can believe that there are folks (more than we’d like to imagine) who would welcome this scenario. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/67 "2024-06-21T19:18:24Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It is the same commandments, just the numbering and is different and a few words. It’s still sectarian and biased in favor of Protestant Christianity. Conflict between Protestants and Catholics over which version of the Bible to use and which version of the Lords Prayer to say are a big part of why religion was removed in the first place. There were riots over this stuff in the 19th century. And of course the 10 Commandments are completely irrelevant to anyone outside the Abrahamic faiths. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/68 "2024-06-21T19:24:44Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > So, the Protestants break apart the no other gods and graven images into two, and combine the covets into one, right? And, Catholics do the opposite? > > I think the Protestants do it the way that Jewish tradition holds, right? > **[Chart: Comparing the Ten Commandments](https://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/2007/03/chart-comparing-the-ten-commandments.aspx)** > > Protestants, Jews, and Catholics number the commandments in slightly different ways. A guide to the three versions ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/69 "2024-06-21T19:38:13Z")
Thanks! I like how the Louisiana politicians’ version allows you to work on the Sabbath. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/70 "2024-06-21T19:40:41Z")
We can’t let God’s word stand in the way of Business, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/71 "2024-06-21T19:44:05Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > And of course the 10 Commandments are completely irrelevant to anyone outside the Abrahamic faiths. Depends on what you mean by this. Obviously, commandments like “Thou shalt not steal” aren’t irrelevant in the sense that nobody outside the Abrahamic faiths has a problem with stealing. What is irrelevant is that prohibition’s special status as part of _ **The Ten Commandments** _. But then, it’s not clear to me why that list of ten should be so special to Christians (and Jews). It’s not as though we’d all be perfectly fine with stealing if _ **The Ten Commandments** _ didn’t tell us not to. It seems to me that it’s possible to be a good Christian or Jew without ascribing any special significance to the Ten Commandments as such. In fact, from a strictly Christian point of view, it would make more sense to post “Love your neighbor as yourself” than to post the Ten Commandments. > [@](#): > > Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” > > (Matthew 22:37-40) > [@](#): > > The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” > > (Romans 13:9) ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/72 "2024-06-21T19:44:16Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I like how the Louisiana politicians’ version allows you to work on the Sabbath Can we get **[Hobby Lobby](https://www.hobbylobby.com/customer-service/faq/stores--hours/why-are-your-stores-closed-on-sundays)** to file an Amicus brief?? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/73 "2024-06-21T19:46:00Z")
Deuteronomy 5: 13-14: > 13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: > > 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. Why do Louisiana Republicans hate the bible? It clearly says that on the seventh day, being the Sabbath, **Thou shalt not do any work.** Clear. As. Day. It’s almost like they want to be able to pick and choose which parts of the Bible to believe, and which of the Ten Commandments to obey. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/74 "2024-06-21T19:46:57Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I like how the Louisiana politicians’ version allows you to work on the Sabbath. The way I understand the Sabbath commandment, it also prohibits requiring _others_ to work on the Sabbath, which you’d arguably be doing if you go shopping, out to eat, etc. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/75 "2024-06-21T20:02:07Z")
Little known fact: Yahweh was the first Wobbly. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/76 "2024-06-21T20:18:24Z")
The bigger issue is that conservative logic is often like that of football fans who think that all you need to do to score is to throw deep on every play. They only apply the most surface logic. _If we force the Ten Commandments and prayer and Bibles on everyone, they will become more Christian._ The concept of indirect consequences or blowback never occurs to them. It’s like parents who ban their daughter from dating a certain guy, then are baffled when she in fact likes him even **more** now that it’s forbidden love. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/77 "2024-06-21T21:15:29Z")
Not sure if it has been linked to yet, but [here is the text of the Louisiana law](https://legis.la.gov/legis/ViewDocument.aspx?d=1379435). It’s a bit hilarious the effort they went into to justify this new religious requirement, obfuscating the supposed historical significance of the Ten Commandments with that of the Mayflower Compact, Declaration of Independence, and the Northwest Ordinance. This is followed by a _requirement_ to display the Ten Commandments, and almost as an afterthought adding that schools _may_ display the other documents along with the required Ten Commandments. They also make a point of specifying the exact text of the Ten Commandments, but make no effort to do the same with the other documents. The text they used was from a random stone monument placed on the grounds of the state capitol building in Texas that the [Supreme Court ruled in a narrow 5-4 decision did not violate the establishment clause in a 2005 case](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2004/03-1500). Of course the Supreme Court was ruling on whether or not the monument could permissibly be there or not, not on the text itself, but I’m sure that nuance escaped the Louisiana legislators. So apparently the version that is going to get posted all over Louisiana is the version that a random stonecutter could fit on his monument. You can’t make this sh\*t up. ---
**Author:** ![jjakucyk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3d9bf3/32.png) [@jjakucyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjakucyk)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/78 "2024-06-21T21:19:52Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > How about the entire thing under the heading: THIS IS HOW OUR STATE IS VIOLATING THE FIRST AMENDMENT: > > The rest is still there, just as the law requires. I love that. The bill says nothing about accompanying text. Here’s the full bill:. > **[Louisiana HB71 | 2024 | Regular Session](https://legiscan.com/LA/text/HB71/id/2978627)** > > Bill Text (2024-06-04) Requires the display of the Ten Commandments in schools \[Sent to the Governor for executive approval.\] The meat of the bill is as follows: > Each public school governing authority and the governing authority of each nonpublic school that receives state funds shall display the Ten Commandments in each building it uses and classroom in each school under its jurisdiction. The nature of the display shall be determined by each governing authority with a minimum requirement that the Ten Commandments shall be displayed on a poster or framed document that is at least eleven inches by fourteen inches. The text of the Ten Commandments shall be the central focus of the poster or framed document and shall be printed in a large, easily readable font. There’s nothing that says it must be prominently displayed. It just needs to meet the 11x14 minimum size and have ambiguously large easily readable font. I think other states that tried this stunt specified that it must be in English, but that’s not the case here. So although it must be displayed, I don’t see anything that says it can’t be hung on the wall behind the coat rack or a potted plant. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/79 "2024-06-21T21:27:41Z")
> [@jjakucyk](#): > > I love that. The bill says nothing about accompanying text. Here’s the full bill… Actually, you linked to the older “engrossed” version. The version that was sent to the governor was the final “enrolled” version that I linked to in my earlier post: > **[Louisiana HB71 | 2024 | Regular Session](https://legiscan.com/LA/text/HB71/id/3004342)** > > Bill Text (2024-06-04) Requires the display of the Ten Commandments in schools \[Sent to the Governor for executive approval.\] ---
**Author:** ![jjakucyk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3d9bf3/32.png) [@jjakucyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjakucyk)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-are-trying-it-again-ten-commandments/1003134/80 "2024-06-21T21:31:26Z")
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