# They Hate Our Freedoms and Want Americans to Die **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 11, 2003, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998 "2003-09-11T17:15:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/1 "2003-09-11T17:15:24Z")
You guessed right, I’m talking about Ann Coulter and her fans. They despise American freedoms, especially the freedom of speech guaranteed with first amendment. They have called their fellow Americans treasonous. We all know that the Constitution itself makes treason a capital offense. Ann Coulter and her fans hate our freedoms and want Americans to be executed for espousing dissenting views on US foreign policy. **If you know a Coulter fan, know that this person loathes freedom and craves the death of Americans.** ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/2 "2003-09-11T17:17:26Z")
Where to begin? ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/3 "2003-09-11T17:22:40Z")
I think I get it. It’s a parody of a certain nameless Wintery month poster. No, it’s serious. :eek: Nah, it’s a parody. You know that trick, where the magicial uses those rings? Where they seem to pass one through the other? What is that trick called? ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/4 "2003-09-11T17:30:39Z")
> [@](#): > > You guessed right Nope, I guessed wrong. I was looking for an OBL thread, or maybe the U.N. Totally blind sided me with the Ann Coulter. Enjoy your paranoia. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/5 "2003-09-11T17:33:00Z")
Really? I was given Coulter’s recent book and tried to read it but found her so full of shit I just skimmed the chapters and then tossed it. Still, I don’t exactly remember her calling for the “execution” of those with dissenting views. Getting whooshed by Ann Coulter? Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![Reepicheep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@Reepicheep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reepicheep)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/6 "2003-09-11T17:35:51Z")
Thanks \*\* Rhum Runner \*\* I was also looking of the OBL thread. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/7 "2003-09-11T17:39:34Z")
Treason _is_ a capital crime. To accuse someone of treason is serious business. Either Coulter et al want Americans to be executed as traitors, or they’re blowing farts out their mouths. I report, you decide: Do Coulter et al want Americans executed or do they merely fart from their mouths. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/8 "2003-09-11T17:39:35Z")
Maybe someone who is good with Latin terms relating to logic can translate this into gibberish for me. 1. Misleading thread title, somewhat based on presidential statements. 2. Multiple strawmen. 3. Arguments using one example to indict a whole group of people. Some fans may just want to spank Ann Coulter, for example. She is, demonstrably, a bad girl. 4. No substance to the main allegation. Potential for thread views: priceless. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/9 "2003-09-11T17:43:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > \*\*Maybe someone who is good with Latin terms relating to logic can translate this into gibberish for me. > > 1. Misleading thread title, somewhat based on presidential statements. > 2. Multiple strawmen. > 3. Arguments using one example to indict a whole group of people. Some fans may just want to spank Ann Coulter, for example. She is, demonstrably, a bad girl. > 4. No substance to the main allegation. > > Potential for thread views: priceless. \*\* This is the Pit. Don’t have to make sense here. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/10 "2003-09-11T17:45:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SimonX \* > \*\*We all know that the Constitution itself makes treason a capital offense. Naw. Federal law makes treason a capital offense. Treason is, however, the only crime for which the burden of proof is explicitely stated in the Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/11 "2003-09-11T17:46:13Z")
As a liberal who strongly dislikes Ann Coulter and the Bush administration, I just want to say: your OP sucks shit, **SimonX**. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![NotMrKnowItAll](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6bbea6/32.png) [@NotMrKnowItAll](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotMrKnowItAll)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/12 "2003-09-11T17:50:01Z")
[random thought] When’er I see Ann Coulter, I am reminded of that Woody Allen movie where Miss America is a witness for the prosecution, and wraps up her testimony by singing the national anthem. [/random thought] ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/13 "2003-09-11T17:50:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SimonX \* > \*\*This is the Pit. Don’t have to make sense here. \*\* Poster with 1800+ posts admits to being a troll: priceless. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/14 "2003-09-11T17:55:32Z")
Something labeled free at a garage sale? priceless Horror movies without Vincent? priceless Buffalo Bills without Peerless? priceless 😃 ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/15 "2003-09-11T17:55:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SimonX \* > \*\*This is the Pit. Don’t have to make sense here. \*\* Oh, OK. In that case… lemon rum calendar verb asking Howard marvelous to for bride and princess galaxy insert beetle. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/16 "2003-09-11T17:57:22Z")
I think **SimonX** is simply trying to parody the rhetorical style of Coulter, herself. To wit: take a speciously defined characteristic of a poorly defined group then string that characteristic out to its most extreme extropolation. Technically, he’s right. If Coulter is _serious_ about her charge that all “liberals” are guilty of treason, and the punishment for treason is execution, then Coulter is arguing by implication that all liberals should be executed…either that or she doesn’t really believe what she says she believes. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/17 "2003-09-11T18:05:04Z")
Well, shit, then I guess the libs who call Bush a Nazi will be storming the beaches of the Potomac any day now. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/18 "2003-09-11T18:08:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > \*\*Well, shit, then I guess the libs who call Bush a Nazi will be storming the beaches of the Potomac any day now. \*\* I’m on record as calling for his arrest and trial before a war crimes tribunal and I’m totally serious. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/19 "2003-09-11T18:11:23Z")
Not all bitching is logically coherent. I cite Coulter’s columns as a example of logically incoherent, baseless bitching. I sincerely hope that Coulter just farts from her mouth rather than wants the executions of her fellow Americans. Treason is a capital offense. Coulter charges that certain Americans are engaged in and have engaged in treasonous activities. There’re Coulter fans who second her charges of treason. If these charges are being made in earnest, (as some of her fans have assured me they are), then they actually calling for the execution of Americans. These are some implications of the charge of treason. It is possible that these people who advocate these charges of treason are just so full of it that when they open their mouths that farts come out. I hope that this is the case. Not all Coulter fans second her charges of treason. Some apparently just want to spank her. All of her fans who do not second her charges of treason are hereby excluded from the group that does second these grave charges. Thanks for the clarification **Friedo**. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998/20 "2003-09-11T18:40:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*I’m on record as calling for his arrest and trial before a war crimes tribunal and I’m totally serious. \*\* I’m with you. I think if we can just get him to a NATO meeting in Belgium… :what’s more sarcastic than 50 rolleyes?: This particular scenario is a wonderful playing ground for fictional drama, hence I will run with it. _On Air Force 1 flying over North Atlantic_ **Mr. President, we are showing four inbound contacts, you need to chute up sir!** GWB: What, me worry? Karl Rove: Damn Belgians, I can’t believe they would fly out of their own airspace to intercept us! Pilot of Air Force One: Mayday, Mayday! We have four, repeat four Eurofighter 2000s from Belgium closing in. They have missile lock! GWB: They hate our freedom. Pilot of Air Force One: Activating countermeasures! Clancey, give me a call for more. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-hate-our-freedoms-and-want-americans-to-die/200998.md?page=2)