# they really ARE using pre-emptive lying! Palin clears self! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2008, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288 "2008-10-10T04:53:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/59ef9b/32.png) [@Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_fight_the_hypothetical)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/61 "2008-10-10T21:36:21Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > Am I the only one who doesn’t know what ACORN means? > 😕 No. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/62 "2008-10-10T21:42:08Z")
ACORN means FOOD FOR SQUIRREL. ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/63 "2008-10-10T21:58:05Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If the Pubbies are going to keep using the word “maverick”, I think an official 1 to 5 “Maverick” scale to gauge these “mavericks” is in order. > > 1-Brent > 2-Beau > 3-Bart > 4-Bret > 5-Pappy\* > \*A “Pappy” maverick is one that is talked about in reverence, but is never actually seen in public. I love you. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/64 "2008-10-10T22:15:26Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Little **Bricker** attempts the Chewbacca defense yet again, and still people don’t just tell him to STFU and quit trolling… > > -Joe I understand that **Bricker** has made a lot of people upset this election cycle. I took him to task for jumping into this thread with the argument that this was no different then the ACORN statement about fake registrations. But, instead of calling him names, I did it by clearly stating why I thought they were different. And you know what? He accepted what I wrote and admitted that I had a point. That shows some class and willingness to see that someone else may be right, neither of which say troll to me. Jonathan ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/65 "2008-10-10T22:21:03Z")
If he weren’t such a partisan drone, he would have seen that from the beginning, without needing to have it laid it for him so explicitly. I was going to make exactly the same argument as you, differentiating one from the other on obvious qualitative grounds, but you beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/66 "2008-10-10T22:23:44Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > That shows some class and willingness to see that someone else may be right, neither of which say troll to me. > > Jonathan But when he does it AGAIN, and AGAIN and AGAIN, you’ve gotta start wondering… we know that he’d not stupid, or misinformed, so why does he do it? Why does he (to quote **Cervaise** on preview) need to have such an obvious thing laid out for him so explicitly? ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/67 "2008-10-10T22:28:29Z")
I _still_ can’t find the Campaign report online. Am I an idiot or is it just not out there? ETA: Not that that’s mutually exclusive. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/68 "2008-10-10T22:53:20Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > I understand that **Bricker** has made a lot of people upset this election cycle. I took him to task for jumping into this thread with the argument that this was no different then the ACORN statement about fake registrations. But, instead of calling him names, I did it by clearly stating why I thought they were different. And you know what? He accepted what I wrote and admitted that I had a point. That shows some class and willingness to see that someone else may be right, neither of which say troll to me. > > Jonathan Perhaps, but he’s been doing it for YEARS, not just for this election cycle. You should have been here during the 2004 election-he was even worse, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Billdo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billdo/32/315_2.png) [@Billdo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billdo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/69 "2008-10-10T22:58:18Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > I _still_ can’t find the Campaign report online. Am I an idiot or is it just not out there? [CNN currently says](http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/palin.investigation/index.html) (subject to editing of the report at this link) that the Alaska legislative committee is reviewing the report in executive session before releasing it. I imagine it will be released later this afternoon or evening. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/70 "2008-10-10T23:00:37Z")
Awaiting conspiracy theorists: “They’re holding onto the report until Monday when it can make a bigger splash in the news. See, we told you it was an Obama plot to discredit Palin!” ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/71 "2008-10-10T23:34:23Z")
> [@Billdo](#): > > [CNN currently says](http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/palin.investigation/index.html) (subject to editing of the report at this link) that the Alaska legislative committee is reviewing the report in executive session before releasing it. I imagine it will be released later this afternoon or evening. No, I mean the McCain Campaign report (AKA My Post is My Cite). I’m not sure why I have such a morbid curiosity as to what they put in there. I’m keeping tabs on **Chefguy’s** [link](http://community.adn.com/adn/node/132527) (a live blog from the Council office): > [@](#): > > **3 p.m.** : So here’s something to consider while we wait for the Legislative Council to vote – and yes, we’re still waiting: > > The council needs eight votes to release the investigator’s report. Three members of the 14-member council aren’t here – Rep. Ralph Samuels, Rep. John Harris and Sen. Gary Wilken. > > Unless they called in after the meeting started, that means they’re automatic “no votes.” > > So what’s going on behind those doors? Do they have enough votes to make the report public? > > Sen. John Cowdery isn’t here, but phoned in. Actually – that raises another question. Say this decision comes down to one vote? Does the fact that Cowdery has been indicted become part of debate. > > Also: Someone is handing out granola bars to reporters. Everyone had a caffeine crash about an hour ago, but they opened a door to a soda machine and we all bought Diet Dr. Peppers. (time of the entry is Alaska local) ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/72 "2008-10-11T00:04:58Z")
Oops… I think it was actually **E-Sabbath’s** link. The council doors are open, I guess they’re about to start voting? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/73 "2008-10-11T00:14:49Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > I’m keeping tabs on **Chefguy’s** [link](http://community.adn.com/adn/node/132527) (a live blog from the Council office): 4:11 pm: > [@](#): > > The Legislative Council just voted 12-0 to release the report Woooo– > [@](#): > > except for certain parts they consider confidential. –oot? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/74 "2008-10-11T00:36:29Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > 4:11 pm:Woooo----oot? There are apparently two parts to the report, one of which is full of info from personnel files and the like. That part won’t be released. Leaked maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Fritz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c57346/32.png) [@Fritz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fritz)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/75 "2008-10-11T00:53:50Z")
“Alaska panel finds Palin abused power” [Palin’s Forked Now!](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/) ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/76 "2008-10-11T01:10:50Z")
> [@Fritz](#): > > “Alaska panel finds Palin abused power” > > [Palin’s Forked Now!](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/) Democrat smear job. Left-wing media filter. Partisan witch hunt. You pick. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/77 "2008-10-11T01:14:32Z")
Do witch hunts still involve the ‘swimming test’ in Alaska? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/78 "2008-10-11T01:15:25Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > Do witch hunts still involve the ‘swimming test’ in Alaska? She floats on the ice! Burn her! ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/79 "2008-10-11T01:20:53Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > Creationist Barbie the Republican ‘super star’… Caribou Stacy. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/they-really-are-using-pre-emptive-lying-palin-clears-self/467288/80 "2008-10-11T01:22:50Z")
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