# They're coming for us ... what will you do? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 8, 2018, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507 "2018-07-08T02:51:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/81 "2018-07-10T01:38:28Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > The “Muslim ban” - covers maybe 12.5% of Muslims. Pretty innefectual, and interestingly came from a list of countries the Obama Administration listed as high terrorism risks. If we’re going for a “muslim ban”, surely we can do better than that? > > It targets “brown people”? Most of the world is “brown” or at least non-white (at least 5 billion people), and the ban covers a pretty tiny amount of “brown” people out there. Again, pretty ineffectual, if the aim is to go after “brown” people. > > You think Kennedy’s reason to retire _during the Trump administration_, is because he was _disgusted by Trump policy_? Are you high? You do realize he was in the\* majority opinion\* on the travel ban ruling, right? So, he “threw up his hands” and retired because he didn’t want to continue making decisions\* he thought were correct\*? This is most nonsensical thing I’ve seen in a while. > > Trump “rescinded” zero tolerance after hearing outcry? And something is wrong with that? Yeah, totally Hitleresque. Was zero tolerance policy a good decision? No. Did he listen to the dissent? Yes. _Dictators don’t do that_. > > On the enlisted front. They came up with a grand total of\* fourty\* people that were discharged. Out of\* thousands\* of immigrant enlistees. Yeah, endemic problem there. I’m sure Trump himself hand combed through the enlistees and ordered them out for no reason whatsoever. I’m sure zero immigrants were ever discharged under Obama. Jesus, what a non-story. > > Oh, and just you we’re clear on the naturalization front: You _want_ people here who committed fraud to get here? Just checking. > > Look, I don’t like Trump. And I will concede that in his heart he probably isn’t a fan of “brown people.” But there’s a difference between that and wanting to put them in death camps. Seriously, these comparisons to Nazi Germany are just friggin ridiculous and makes the leftist that espouse that look like drama queens. It’s like people that compare the US with A Handmaid’s Tale. Get real. Look, when they round up US citizens en masse and put them in internment camps, I’ll compare Trump to FDR, and I’ll do more than protest. But I _still_ won’t compare him to Hitler. But that isn’t going to happen, I know it, you know it too. And if you really don’t, seriously, you need to check yourself. We may not be living in Nazi Germany, but the parallels between what is happening right now and what has happened in other collapsed democracies are real, not imagined. One of the great dangers to a democracy like ours is polarization, and one tactic that creates this polemic is race baiting. ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/82 "2018-07-10T02:38:15Z")
[Hot off the presses re: family detention:](https://www.centerforhumanrights.org/PDFs/Flores/455_07-09-18_Order-DENYING_ExParteApp_to_ModifySettlement.pdf) [paraphrased] Judge to ICE - “you made your bed in 1997, and now you’d damn well better lie in it.” ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/83 "2018-07-10T12:40:34Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > We may not be living in Nazi Germany, but the parallels between what is happening right now and what has happened in other collapsed democracies are real, not imagined. I can’t remember who made the quote, but it was something like “economists have predicted eleven of the last two recessions”. Same sort of thing - liberals on the Dope have predicted six of the last zero fascist takeovers. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/84 "2018-07-10T17:37:03Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > One of the great dangers to a democracy like ours is polarization, and one tactic that creates this polemic is race baiting. Or comparing political leaders to Hitler (or Communists). ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/85 "2018-07-10T23:31:53Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Or comparing political leaders to Hitler (or Communists). You mean like [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism)? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CelticKnot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/celticknot/32/3392_2.png) [@CelticKnot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CelticKnot)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/86 "2018-07-10T23:37:19Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > First they came for the illegal immigrants, and I said nothing, because I was not an illegal immigrant. > > Then they came for those who obtained their citizenship under false pretenses, and I said nothing, because I had not obtained my citizenship under false pretenses. > > Then everything was fine. > > Regards, > Shodan 😃 My response to the OP’s question, “What is we gonna do?” Get popcorn. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/87 "2018-07-11T05:59:48Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > What statute is Mr. Sessions breaking? > > Cite please. I’m not sure what associated statutes there are, but the USA is signatory to the the [1967 Refugee Protocol.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_Relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees) ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/88 "2018-07-11T06:04:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Do you happen to recall who won the 1997 World Series? > > (a) the Cleveland Indians, who won three games of seven scoring a total of 44 runs across those seven games? > > (b) the Florida Marlins, who won four games scoring a total of 37 runs across those seven games Yes, Bricker, democratic legitimacy is _just like baseball._ And we all know that no one ever complains about baseball. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/89 "2018-07-11T06:13:27Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Incorrect. The burden is on the poster who made the claim that the General was acting illegally. No. Burden of proof generally falls on an argued position, not on the person arguing it. And he’s not a “General,” he’s an “Attorney General.” The word _general_ is an adjective in that case. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/90 "2018-07-11T07:10:17Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > The flaw in this theory is that, while Republicans may be able to _call_ a Constitutional Convention with 34 states, they need 38 states to ratify any amendments that come out of said convention. Do you really believe 38 states would ratify an amendment ending birthright citizenship? I don’t find it implausible that the Repubs could capture 6 more legislatures via gerrymandering, voter suppression, anonymous campaign contributions at the local level, voter ID and other activities conducted because they know their ideas won’t persuade either majorities or credentialed experts. ---
**Author:** ![drivekiller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@drivekiller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drivekiller)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/91 "2018-07-11T17:12:38Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > First they came for the illegal immigrants, and I said nothing, because I was not an illegal immigrant. > > Then they came for those who obtained their citizenship under false pretenses, and I said nothing, because I had not obtained my citizenship under false pretenses. > > Then everything was fine. > > Regards, > Shodan I invite all my white citizen brothers to come to Iowa and help bring in the soybean crop. Oh wait, we don’t have a buyer anymore ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/92 "2018-07-17T16:13:40Z")
_And then they came for the victims of domestic violence seeking asylum …_ > **[What Jeff Sessions’ Efforts to Deny Asylum to Domestic Violence Victims Look...](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/07/what-jeff-sessions-efforts-to-deny-asylum-to-domestic-violence-victims-look-like.html)** > > She was beaten when she tried to leave the home, beaten when she tried to get a job, beaten when she sewed clothes and sold them. \*And then they came for the spouses of immigrant workers who also wanted to work … \* > **[Families brought to U.S. for tech jobs face ‘infuriating and degrading’...](https://www.geekwire.com/2018/families-brought-u-s-tech-jobs-face-infuriating-degrading-delays-uscis/)** > > Jansi Kumar immigrated from India the United States because of a promise. She would be allowed to work. But that could change for Kumar and thousands like her under the new administration's immigration agenda. What’s clear about these stories is a growing pattern of undermining immigration of all kinds, legal or otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/93 "2018-07-17T16:51:25Z")
Relax dude. You are probably pretty low on the shit list. If the worst does happen, you’ll have some warning. Just make sure you have a second passport of a foreign country and always carry enough money on you for a plane ticket and you’ll be fine. 🙂 You are Indian not Red Indian. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/94 "2018-07-17T16:59:32Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > And he’s not a “General,” he’s an “Attorney General.” The word _general_ is an adjective in that case. You’ve never watched a Congressional hearing??? Members of Congress routinely address Attorneys General, Inspectors General, and the Surgeon General as “General”. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/95 "2018-08-09T01:53:00Z")
_They’re coming …_ The administration is instituting deportation proceedings immediately against H1B holders who apply for renewal, and whose renewals are denied for any reason. > **[New USCIS Policy Will Carry Harsh Consequences For Applicants](https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2018/07/11/new-uscis-policy-will-carry-harsh-consequences-for-applicants/#1af3357c4615)** > > USCIS can deny an application and put a person into deportation proceedings under a harsh new policy to discourage high-skill immigration. A friend of my relative who has been working here for some time just moved from Boston to DC. His H1B renewal was rejected for no good reason and he has been ordered to pack up his family and leave the country in two weeks. _They’re coming …_ The administration has announced plans to reject naturalization applications for any legal resident wanting to become a citizen who lives in a household where anyone has accepted government assistance, including purchasing health insurance in the ACA exchanges (Obamacare). > **[Stephen Miller’s next target: Legal immigrants](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/now-trump-administration-wants-limit-citizenship-legal-immigrants-n897931)** > > The most significant change to legal immigration in decades could affect millions of would-be citizens, say lawyers and advocates. _They’re coming … Who’s next?_ ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/96 "2018-08-09T14:14:13Z")
They deported the wife of a Marine veteran, splitting up their family … [https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/this-veteran-supported-trump-until-trump-deported-his-wife/2018/08/06/33083252-99bc-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185\_story.html](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/this-veteran-supported-trump-until-trump-deported-his-wife/2018/08/06/33083252-99bc-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html) ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/97 "2018-08-09T14:56:51Z")
That guy voted for Trump. He deserves it. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/98 "2018-08-30T11:44:19Z")
_Then they came for U.S. citizens born near the southern border …_ U.S. is denying passports to Americans along the border, throwing their citizenship into question > **[U.S. is denying passports to Americans along the border, throwing their...](https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-passports-20180829-story.html)** > > On paper, he's a devoted U.S. citizen. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/99 "2018-08-30T14:11:16Z")
From your cite - > [@](#): > > The government alleges that from the 1950s through the 1990s, some midwives and physicians along the Texas-Mexico border provided U.S. birth certificates to babies who were actually born in Mexico. In a series of federal court cases in the 1990s, several birth attendants admitted to providing fraudulent documents. > > Based on those suspicions, the State Department began during Barack Obama’s administration to deny passports to people who were delivered by midwives in Texas’ Rio Grande Valley. The use of midwives is a long-standing tradition in the region, in part because of the cost of hospital care. So apparently you are correct - this is a slippery slope. Not started on the slope by Trump, but slippery nonetheless. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507/100 "2018-08-30T22:17:34Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > From your cite - So apparently you are correct - this is a slippery slope. Not started on the slope by Trump, but slippery nonetheless. > > Regards, > Shodan …to be clear: > The Washington Post article got things wrong. It didn’t begin during the Obama administration. It ended during the Obama administration. Apparently the article has been corrected: but I only get a couple of Washington Post articles a month, so I’m not going to waste a view going to check. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-coming-for-us-what-will-you-do/817507.md?page=6)