# They're illegal aliens; stop making up other names for them. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 20, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468 "2013-03-20T17:16:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/321 "2013-03-30T22:09:48Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > Racism is not simply about “hating other races,” and yes indeed you can do all those things with someone of a different race born in a different country and still participate in racism. Racism isn’t just about the intentions of the individual, however convenient it might be for one to construct it that way. English is a living language, and when you say “racism” most people will think you mean racial hatred and/or prejudice. If you use it to mean things other than that, it doesn’t matter if you “actually” mean something else, it is not other people’s fault if they misunderstand you. Now, of course it’s possible to hate and/or hold damaging stereotypes against some races and not others, so if that’s what you mean, then I stand corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/322 "2013-03-30T22:15:04Z")
I think (based on the post he was responding to) he means you could marry an Asian chick and still be a racist because you hate black people, or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/323 "2013-03-30T22:29:48Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Yes, I consider “illegal aliens” to be racist, and the part where he agrees that the OP is correct, it is the only term to be used. > > They are not “illegal”, no court has said their existence is in violation of the law, nor that their actions have yet been adjudged in violation of the law. Nor are they “aliens”, they are people. The use of the phrase “illegal aliens” as the OP uses it is racist and dehumanizing. Racist against which race? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/324 "2013-03-30T23:26:55Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I have already told you numerous times that the two posts say the same thing. Post #10 says it sarcastically, post #30 says it without the sarcasm. In both posts, I’m disagreeing with the OP’s insistence on using the term “illegal aliens.” The OP understands this. It might be fun to hear you try to explain to him how he misunderstood my post and I actually agree with him after all. > > Yes, I’ve been known to waste my time smacking idiots around. We all have our failings. > > That’s a fair question. Maybe it’s unfair to hydrocephalics: even if they have small brains they may be better at using them than you are. But I’m not going to get distracted from calling you on your idiotic bullshit. Both post 10 and post 30 make the same point, agreeing with the OP. They follow a form of parallelism. Both start with agreement and then follow with going a further stop. You say 10 is sarcastic, but 30 is not. Really. It’s the same shit in both posts. I strongly doubt that you’ve ever smacked an idiot. That would be assault and battery. Your kind of chickenshit doesn’t have the courage of his nasty convictions to do such a thing. You talk smack because you think it makes you look tough. Just like you think your sarcasm clearly makes you look tough. Let me be clear: you are by your own admission arguing with someone you consider to be an idiot. I’m continuing to point out how much of a bully, bigot and racist you are. I would never bother arguing with someone I consider to be an idiot. To be clearer, it isn’t “maybe it’s unfair to hydrocephalics”. There is no doubt its using hydrocephalics as an insult. It’s the same damn thing. Using someone’s status as a way of insulting them. It’s bigoted. You’re a bigoted guy. It isn’t a distraction, its the same damn thing. Or is it okay because maybe you were being sarcastic? Now, I see you are trying to bury the behavior of insulting hydrocephalics as a distraction. But it isn’t just a distraction. It is your consistent behavior. It is in your character to be nasty and sarcastic, insulting, racist and bigoted. Look at your posts! Read your own posts, try to understand your own posts. You’ve also insulted illiterate people the same way in this thread, over, and over and over. I get offended at your sarcastic routine and you call me illiterate, over and over again. Dude, I can read and write. Illiterate people can’t. You conflate illiteracy with idiocy. Again, undoubtedly to be sarcastic and nasty. They are different things and conditions of people who do not deserve your insults. Your “sarcasm” insults virtually everyone when what you really have is a failure to politely convey your point of view in favor of nastiness. Over and over and over. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/325 "2013-03-30T23:29:49Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You are correct sir! > > [Thinks about explaining who Ed McMahon was so **The Second Stone** won’t lose hit shit again, but fuck it, explaining jokes to idiots is boring and it never helps anyway.] “hit shit?” Weren’t you the one railing against misspelling earlier in this thread? And Ed McMahon won’t be coming to your house, because you are already a loser. A racist, bigoted loser. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/326 "2013-03-30T23:52:38Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > And Ed McMahon won’t be coming to your house, because you are already a loser. No, he won’t be coming to my house because he’s dead. And I notice that you’ve stopped trying to explain your claims. That’s kind of a tacit acknowledgement that you can’t do it, isn’t it? Your claims about what I’m saying don’t make any sense, and you’re running on outrage, not argument. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/327 "2013-03-31T00:04:13Z")
They make sense to me. And they pretty clearly make sense to you too. You’ve pretty much acknowledged that you are a racist, bigot and bully by your words and claims that in some instances you mean them directly and other sarcastically. There really isn’t anything more to elaborate. Your words convey things to people you hate: hydrocephalics, immigrants, the illiterate, idiots and people who misspell. Now if you include more evidence of groups you think you are better than, then there is more to say. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/328 "2013-03-31T00:08:15Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > They make sense to me. That counts for nothing, since practically nothing you’ve said in this thread makes sense. > [@](#): > > And they pretty clearly make sense to you too. Not at all. I’ve spent most of this thread trying to guess what the fuck you are thinking, and it’s not just me. And I have no idea if I’ve made any progress. > [@](#): > > You’ve pretty much acknowledged I’ve never acknowledged this at all. I have a feeling you are lying the same way you lied when you accused me of using the word “illegals” (which you then backed off because I never said it). So by all means explain where I acknowledged this. > [@](#): > > …claims that in some instances you mean them directly and other sarcastically. I never said that either, liar. > [@](#): > > Your words convey things to people you hate I’ve never even suggested that I hated anybody. You can’t find that implication in any of my posts - or you couldn’t if you were honest and intelligent, anyway. Since you appear to be a liar as well as a stubborn moron, who knows what you can find. But give it a shot anyway. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/329 "2013-03-31T00:32:43Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The OP is right, because as we all know the term “illegal aliens” was handed down by God himself on tablets of fire and is written in the stars. It’s an immutable and inarguable law of nature that that’s what these people must be called at all times. Right there, in black and white you used the term “illegal aliens” and said the OP is right. Taking a-l-i-e and n out doesn’t change the nasty implications at all. Denigrating people who are illiterate because I don’t buy your entitled sense of sarcasm is more of the same. Hydrocephalic denigration is more of the same. The lie here is the one that you are telling yourself, that you are behaving in an okay and swell fashion cuz you’re hip and sarcastic. Bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/330 "2013-03-31T00:34:54Z")
This is some seriously funny shit. I must admit to being a bit surprised that Marley agrees with the OP. 😉 Marley, I was going top send you a box of African Bees to be opened by the singing monkey that was to deliver them, but I decided on sending you The Second Stone instead. Looks like I chose correctly. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/331 "2013-03-31T00:36:16Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Right there, in black and white you used the term “illegal aliens” and the OP is right. Why does the OP think I disagreed with him? > [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > :dubious: > > You are absolutely convinced that **Marley23** genuinely believes > > How in the holy fuck could you see a written statement like that and think that he _really_ believes it? How could you possibly believe it was anything _but_ sarcasm? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/332 "2013-03-31T00:53:45Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Why does the OP think I disagreed with him? Don’t know and don’t care. But when you say that the OP agrees with you that you disagreed with him, that just one more instance of you using the OP to bolster your racist argument. magellan01 you did make a wise choice. I just want everyone to remember that Marley and his buddies have insisted I don’t have a clue about their cool little sarcasm club, that I don’t understand sarcasm, and that they think they can say whatever they want in their snarky sarcastic voice (which apparently is audible in print) and that they are still cool kids. Sometimes someone tries to be snarky and say something sarcastic and somebody who takes the matter seriously is standing there. That bystander might get mad enough to shove his or her fist right through the smirking face, nose, mouth and teeth of the wise-ass because he/she is genuinely offended. Teeth and blood and tears and crying will fill the room. Now, IRL, that is a felony and you can sue the puncher for assault and battery. But on the internet, you just leave Marley crying in his momma’s basement that he and his friends understood each other and so should everyone else and that they should get away with their crap about all the “illegal aliens”, illiterates, hydrocephalics and so forth that they are being sarcastic about and nobody should call them on it. Marley, you’re a damned bully and it gives me satisfaction to keep putting my literary fist through the front of your smirking face. Over and over. And I will continue to do it until you shut your damned pie hole. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/333 "2013-03-31T00:56:54Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Don’t know and don’t care. This is what I was saying earlier about refusing to explain yourself. > [@](#): > > But when you say that the OP agrees with you that you disagreed with him, that just one more instance of you using the OP to bolster your racist argument. I didn’t make a racist argument, you stupid fuck. I disagreed with the OP about the term that offends you so. > [@](#): > > I just want everyone to remember that Marley and his buddies have insisted I don’t have a clue about their cool little sarcasm club, that I don’t understand sarcasm, and that they think they can say whatever they want in their snarky sarcastic voice (which apparently is audible in print) and that they are still cool kids. What they’re going to remember - if they remember this thread at all - is that you’re incredibly stupid. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/334 "2013-03-31T01:02:01Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This is what I was saying earlier about refusing to explain yourself. > > I didn’t make a racist argument, you stupid fuck. I disagreed with the OP about the term that offends you so. > > What they’re going to remember - if they remember this thread at all - is that you’re incredibly stupid. And that you can’t stop arguing with someone you consider stupid. (For the record, I don’t consider you stupid.) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/335 "2013-03-31T01:05:56Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > And I will continue to do it until you shut your damned pie hole. That’s actually not a good idea. I’m done with this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/336 "2013-03-31T01:06:03Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > And that you can’t stop arguing with someone you consider stupid. I can. I just haven’t yet. But I can rationally explain why you’re misunderstood my post. You can’t rationally explain your interpretation of what I said, which is why I’m still trying to figure it out and why a bunch of people (some of whom don’t even agree with me on this issue) are asking you why you are being such an idiot. > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > That’s actually not a good idea. I’m done with this thread. And now you’ve moved from ‘gently trying to change the subject so you don’t have to explain’ to ‘quitting because you can’t explain.’ By all means, try to beat a dignified retreat with shit in your pants. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/337 "2013-03-31T01:50:45Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Dehumanizing language remains dehumanizing. So stop calling people “racist” when they disagree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/338 "2013-03-31T01:51:34Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > So stop calling people “racist” when they disagree with you. Truth is the ultimate defense. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/339 "2013-03-31T01:55:20Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > (Not that other languages are simplistic. But English is especially rich in multiple means of expression.) Yes, it certainly does. For example, the term “mealy-mouthed euphemism” splendidly describes such terms as “undocumented workers.” ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2013, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468/340 "2013-03-31T01:56:45Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Truth is the ultimate defense. Not when the word in question is merely a term of abuse. In that case, no truth is involved at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-illegal-aliens-stop-making-up-other-names-for-them/653468.md?page=18)