# They're not really going to remake \*The Warriors\*, are they? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 4, 2002, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825 "2002-10-04T12:53:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/1 "2002-10-04T12:53:40Z")
David Patrick Kelly’s last line in **The Warriors** was _ **"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"** _. And that’s how I reacted when I heard that the film is being remade. I can’t post a link to the _Variety_ squib, but here’s what **Ain’t It Cool News** has to say: > [@](#): > > “WARRRRIOOOOORRRRS!! COME OUT AND SLAAAAAAAP FIIIIIIGHT!!” > > I know it’s been a little over a week since VARIETY first ran this story. It’s been long enough that I can’t even find the link to the story anymore. But it’s taken me this long to even be able to discuss the extreme, almost overwhelming stupidity of the following story: > > \*Paramount Pictures has tapped scribes John Glenn and Travis Wright to update “The Warriors” for MTV Films and Paramount Pictures. > > At MTV Films, Van Toffler, David Gale and Michael Cole are overseeing the project along with Larry Gordon, who produced the original. Paramount’s Brian Witten and prexy John Goldwyn are supervising pic for the studio. > > Original centers on a small group of gang members who are falsely accused of murdering a peace-seeking gang leader. They are chased through Gotham’s streets by rival gangs eager for revenge. In their updated version, Glenn and Travis have eliminated guns. The gangs, rather, have turned to an urban hybrid of martial arts and street fighting to settle their differences.\* It sounds like they’re really doing it, not just talking about it. And my heart breaks. As I’ve mentioned before, DPK is one of my very favorite actors. He made his screen debut clanking those bottles together and whining “Warr-i-orrrrrs…come out and play-i-ay!” He’s been in other movies, of course, **The Crow** , for instance. But “Luther” was his signature role. If they’re really doing a remake, then the character will no longer be uniquely his. :mad: :smack: ☹ ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/2 "2002-10-04T13:07:57Z")
Well, **Rilchiam** while I agree with your concern about a remake of the Warriors, it is not because of someone screwing with DPK’s work. (BTW, I met him on a plane once - very nice guy). True, I doubt anyone could replicate his unique brand of Luther-ness, but I am more concerned about how someone could try to remake the Warriors in general. It is one of those movies that kind of shouldn’t have worked - I mean, all of the over the top out fits and make up, the weird tensions and sexual energy. It was just bizarre, and one false move one way or the other would make it either too serious to be fun or too laughable to get into. I doubt MTV could replicate that… ---
**Author:** ![Mullinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@Mullinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mullinator)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/3 "2002-10-04T15:21:55Z")
That movie succeeds and lives on as an understated favorite because it succeeded in one simple way that many movies miss: the sum of the whole is far greater than the individual pieces. The acting is not good. There are no name actors carrying the movie. The plot is thin, weak, and not overly believable. The various gangs are laughably bad, not at all intimidating, and have insanely weird themes. The love story portion fails on 2 counts: There is no love and there is no story. But, somehow each and every failure of a portion of the movie blends together to create the kind of poorly done movie that just resonates with a viewer. I am inclined to think it is the kind of thing that is unexplainable in its success. Sort of like Carrot Top. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/4 "2002-10-04T16:19:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Original centers on a small group of gang members who are falsely accused of murdering a peace-seeking gang leader. Did these people even see the movie? Cyrus “Peace-seeking”? Well, he sought peace betwen the gangs, but the goal was to take over NYC, Can you dig it? ---
**Author:** ![poohpah\_chalupa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/91b2a8/32.png) [@poohpah\_chalupa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/poohpah_chalupa)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/5 "2002-10-04T16:43:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rilchiam \* > **…As I’ve mentioned before, DPK is one of my very favorite actors. He made his screen debut clanking those bottles together and whining "Warr-i-orrrrrs…come out and play-i-ay!"** Manomanoman…I am _constantly_ pulling Luther quotes outta my head that nobody ever gets: (throwing the candy wrapper at the newstand girl when asked if he was going to pay): “for WHAT??!!” (on the phone): “yeah great…_great!_” And my fave: (talking to Swan about why he killed Cyrus): “No reason…I just _like_ doing things like that…” BTW, wasn’t he in **Dreamscape** with Dennis Quaid? ---
**Author:** ![Ol\_Gaffer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Ol\_Gaffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ol_Gaffer)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/6 "2002-10-04T16:55:53Z")
You **cannot** be serious. You know its going to end up starring Freddie Prinze Jr. and Jason Biggs. As a side note, a group of friends and I dressed up as the Baseball Furies for Halloween a number of years ago. Everyone thought we were dead ball players. Bunch of savages in this town. ---
**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/7 "2002-10-04T21:05:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Glenn and Travis have eliminated guns. The gangs, rather, have turned to an urban hybrid of martial arts and street fighting to settle their differences. I don’t remember too many guns in the original, for all that matters. Truly a bad great movie (or is that a great bad movie?) ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/8 "2002-10-04T23:15:50Z")
**WordMan** and **Mullinator** : You are very right. I should have thought of that. If it really does happen, it will immediately become a bad memory. And as **Ol’Gaffer** projected, whichever pud they get to play Luther will be specifically targeted as pathetic compared to DPK. Or just plain pathetic. **WordMan** : You met him? No s\*\*\*! Can you…uh…[shuffle, blush…] e-mail me with any details of the conversation, if you remember them? **poopah** , Yes, he was! He was the assassin. Check it out on DVD. **lawoot** : I think you’re right: the only gun was the one used to kill Cyrus. I guess that was supposed to set the Rogues apart as the only ones who couldn’t use their fists. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/9 "2002-10-04T23:25:03Z")
Oh, sure, mention everyone else in the thread but me. I can take a hint. _huffs off_ 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/10 "2002-10-05T01:20:29Z")
Sorry, **Weirddave** … ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2002, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/11 "2002-10-05T23:18:10Z")
Plot? It was about a NYC subway ride home. What more do you want? It really was like that, I swear!! If anything, the movie held back on the violence, the sweat, the body bumping and groping, and the intensity of a NYC subway ride to Coney Island. Is it any wonder why the MTA has only one line going to the Stillwell Avenue Station for the next three years?? That’s their version of crowd control. The remake must maintain the instensity. ---
**Author:** ![Omnipresent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8c91f0/32.png) [@Omnipresent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omnipresent)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2002, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/12 "2002-10-06T00:49:01Z")
C’mon, they’ll remake it because it can be remade. Think of any movie and eventually there’ll be a 2 after it. There’s no more creativity. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2002, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/13 "2002-10-06T01:18:54Z")
Really? Any movie? Even, say, _Willard_? Surely Hollywood isn’t THAT dumb. [But then again…](http://us.imdb.com/Details?0310357) ---
**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2002, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/14 "2002-10-06T02:48:58Z")
I’m not worried until they start doing remakes of the bad sequels… ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2002, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/15 "2002-10-06T06:31:02Z")
The remake of Rollerball was enough of an atrocity. This is just going to be beyond sad. ( And don’t forget **DPK** as the extra-tense and nervous “Luther” in 48Hrs, also by Walter Hill, I believe ). - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2002, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/16 "2002-10-06T06:59:08Z")
**Tamerlane** , that’s the only DPK film I can’t watch, because it’s the only one where his character doesn’t deserve his death. But if you want to see an awesome DPK/Walter Hill endeavor, check out **Last Man Standing**! He gets some good go-offs, actually shows some sensitivity, and doesn’t die until the last scene! ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2002, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/17 "2002-10-06T09:27:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rilchiam \* > **lawoot** : I think you’re right: the only gun was the one used to kill Cyrus. I guess that was supposed to set the Rogues apart as the only ones who couldn’t use their fists. I am shocked! :eek: Shocked, I tell you… …how could you forget **the girl gang** - not only were they gorgeous, but one of them fires a gun at the fleeing Warriors. :wally (of course, you’re not really - I just like smilies 🆒 ) ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2002, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/18 "2002-10-06T09:54:34Z")
:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2002, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/19 "2002-10-06T10:05:16Z")
The “girl gang”? Get with it dude - It was **The Lizzies** and a few of them ( three, I think - I watched the DVD just last month ) had guns ;). - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2002, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825/20 "2002-10-06T11:34:33Z")
They are so going to screw up the works if they remake The Warriors… Just like Rollerball, this movie only works because it fit the time it was made. The imagery, the almost surreal NYC landscape made sense back then. Today, who would believe a gang would walk 1 block without a gun? They travelled an entire night on the NYC subways and ONLY met gang members and police (except for the end). Graffiti covered everything, and guys roamed the subways on roller skates. It won’t work like that today. In order to be a financial success, they will have to update the movie and then it will just suck like Rollerball. I also “can’t wait” to see the martial arts the gangs will be using. _yawn_ I loved the fact that the fight scenes in the original were flat out toe to toe street fights. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/theyre-not-really-going-to-remake-the-warriors-are-they/130825.md?page=2)