# Things are getting better. That's what I told my daughter.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [December 5, 2006, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990 "2006-12-05T21:40:51Z")
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### Author:  [@Geek\_Mecha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Geek_Mecha)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/121 "2006-12-06T06:23:32Z")
Considering that several of the initial respondents to the OP didn’t automatically see the racism of the “you people” comment, I think **Kalhoun** should be cut a little bit of slack for her initial skepticism. She shouldn’t have said “What the Ever Lovin’ Fuck” a few posts later (where, as far as I can tell, is where anything resembling “snark” first appears), but I took that as a response to **Biggirl** calling her naive.
Either way, I think a lot of this thread could have been avoided if the conversation had been recounted in the OP.
> [@](#):
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> For that reason, I would never think of assuming that from my position of ignorace I could tell a person of colour - who had most likely experienced rude people and rude RACIST people and could probably tell the difference - that their experience was wrong.
I agree. However, I do think it’s a two-way street. Your experience with racism may have given you a more finely-tuned sense for it, but there still needs to be understanding on your part that not everyone has shared your experiences, and others might need patient explanations.
For what it’s worth, I’m neither white nor black. I’m a minority, but luckily I’ve never lived anywhere where I felt like one. I have experienced racism, but, amusingly, only from other minorities.
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### Author:  [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/122 "2006-12-06T06:24:27Z")
[QUOTE=Random]
Got it, or do you need the Cliff’s Notes version?
[/QUOTE]
No, got it: you’re an asshole, for picking a fight where there was none, and then claiming victory when there was no opponent.
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### Author:  [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/123 "2006-12-06T06:52:55Z")
[QUOTE=monstro]
Just one little time, I’d like Dopers to stop being so intellectual and argumentative and to actually trust the gut-feelings of another Doper. I know this will never happen, but I can still dream.
[/QUOTE]
Oh my… **m** , are you in my head or what? We’re going through a spate of race and racism OPs as of late. I actually stayed away from these threads for a while, because I’ve been very disappointed with the discourse on race and racism on this board. The SDMB is a great place to learn about obscure music, catch some amusing rants about the mundane annoyances of life, and occasionally the bizarre potty/sex-related thread. Not so much on this topic.
And that’s a shame, because I see this board as a collection of highly intelligent, analytic types. The potential exists for rich, reasoned, and nuanced discussion, but so often it doesn’t go there. There are some folks who are always good for solid thinking on the issue - **Contrapuntal, ywtf, monstro, Askia** and some others - but a lot of discussion breaks down to “is this really racist? Because if it isn’t, let’s move on. In fact, here are multiple explanations for how this situation is not racism.” (And I should point out that while I respect the aforementioned folks’ perspectives, I do not always agree with them.)
Let’s review. If you’ve participated in these threads before, you’ll recognize **biggirl**. And though I don’t know her, I know her posts tend not to look at racism as the motivation or explanation for a lot of questionable actions. I often disagree with **biggirl’s** take on these issues. So when I saw that she was the OP in this thread, I took notice. Furthermore, however you slice it, this woman who berated her daughter is someone who certainly looks down her nose about some group membership that her daughter holds.
As someone who’s been a person of color all of my life, and at times wanted to act as if my racial identity and race wasn’t terribly important, and conversely at times believed that every negative thing that happened to a Black person was likely rooted in some act of racism, the adult, better-actualized version of me realizes that yes, there are a number of possible explanations for this woman’s jerkass behavior. However, if you live in a multicultural society as I do, you have to realize that the term “you people” has often been used to stereotype and denigrate people of color. In other words, if your head isn’t completely up your own ass, it’s a really loaded phrase and one should think long and hard before dropping a “you people” bomb. If you don’t, you strike me at best as an insensitive jerk who really doesn’t mind if your words carry an extra sting (which makes you somewhat racist, if you can’t eradicate racially loaded terms from outbursts with people who haven’t provoked you in any way and whom you don’t know) or as somebody who is quite aware of what that phrase means, and you meant it quite sincerely (advanced, high functioning racist).
Furthermore, there are all kinds of other things going on in this woman’s head. Maybe there’s a thread of classism, disdain for young people, hatred of bad customer service. Probably a nasty recipe of negativity in her mind, but I’m convinced by the reaction of **biggirl’s** daughter that it contained at least a pinch of the ol’ racism. Of course I could be wrong, but I’m willing to take this leap based on the evidence provided and how it parallels experiences I’ve had, and other people I know have had.
Now I’ve said this so many times on this board - but this is what Chester Pierce meant when he came up with the term [microaggressions](http://www.doubletongued.org/index.php/dictionary/microaggression/) . The reality is, most people on this board, I think, will acknowledge that racism exists in American society. The gap we have, it seems, is that short of a [James Byrd, Jr.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Byrd_Jr.)-type lynching, there’s rarely consensus on what precisely counts as racist behavior. While it’s comforting to think that racism exists in the narrow minds of Idaho-based survivalist Nazis, it wouldn’t be a huge societal problem if that’s the only place one could find it.
I hope to God that nobody suffers a demise like Emmitt Till or James Byrd, Jr. did, ever again. And as civilized human beings I feel I can probably get 99% of posters to agree with this. But those people who decided it was acceptable to kill someone because of his skin color started somewhere, and it probably wasn’t at another lynching. Responsible parents act swiftly when they see their young child inadvertently pick up candy and stick it in their pocket at three because they know if you let it slide at three they might be stealing cars at 14. In my mind, subtler acts of racist behavior left unchecked beget less subtle racist behavior… and so on. Racism is like an opportunistic infection, or like being bled to death by paper cuts.
I honestly believe if we had the same reaction to racist behavior as we do to petty theft we would make tremendous strides in eradicating racism in this country. We don’t make a kid a pariah because he does it at three, but we don’t let him forget that it’s wrong and he should never do it again. We explain why it’s wrong, we explain and show how it hurts other people, and ultimately, how you might become a victim yourself. We allow teens and young people a chance to learn and grow from their missteps, but we also penalize them when they continue to steal as they get older… you get the idea. No, I’m not advocating jail time for racist behavior… but I am advocating that we think really carefully about how the truly horrible racism that we all recognize comes to pass. It’s from tolerating the minor stuff, excusing, excusing, alternately explaining… until.
Something of a hijack, so I apologize. I might start a thread about what people consider to be convincingly racist behavior…
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### Author:  [@Axxon2wire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Axxon2wire)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/124 "2006-12-06T07:15:29Z")
[QUOTE=Hippy Hollow]
I honestly believe if we had the same reaction to racist behavior as we do to petty theft we would make tremendous strides in eradicating racism in this country. We don’t make a kid a pariah because he does it at three, but we don’t let him forget that it’s wrong and he should never do it again. We explain why it’s wrong, we explain and show how it hurts other people, and ultimately, how you might become a victim yourself. We allow teens and young people a chance to learn and grow from their missteps, but we also penalize them when they continue to steal as they get older… you get the idea. No, I’m not advocating jail time for racist behavior… but I am advocating that we think really carefully about how the truly horrible racism that we all recognize comes to pass. It’s from tolerating the minor stuff, excusing, excusing, alternately explaining… until.
Something of a hijack, so I apologize. I might start a thread about what people consider to be convincingly racist behavior…
[/QUOTE]
Excellent, excellent post all around. This is the part I feel like addressing. I don’t think in these threads we do treat racism as petty theft. I believe it’s viewed as murder or some other hugely horrendous crime and the problem I have with that is that it leaves no room for rehabilitation for the offender.
It’s often too much. Yes, you have to keep people aware that it’s wrong thinking and that there are better ways of thinking but if you do that by being a raving asshole it’s not going to work. You’re trying to teach them that you’re people too and you’re self fulfilling the prophesy when you do this.
Progressive penalties though, like you outlined above are the way to proceed maybe.
Your examples use age but really, society does increase penalties with recidivism and also considers severity of the offense as well and to me, that’s what’s missing in a lot of these threads. You don’t win people over like this. You get overt compliance but that doesn’t mean anything has changed. True change comes from understanding and empathizing. Screaming at people isn’t going to promote this.
This is very much what I was trying to say in my long rambling post. Let’s show the way with examples for the minor and punish with severity the egregious. That’s how you do with other bad behaviour. Of course, as you pointed out, good parenting is important but nothing suggested here really addresses that issue and I’ll admit that I have no ideas how to fix that either.
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### Author:  [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/125 "2006-12-06T07:45:05Z")
😕
:smack:
:eek:
**monstro** ’s a _chick_ – errr, sorry, a _sister_?
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### Author:  [@Manatee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manatee)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/126 "2006-12-06T08:04:17Z")
[QUOTE=Random]
Ooops. Sorry. You people are so confusing!
[/QUOTE]
Sorry to interrupt the seriousness, but I’ve gotta say that this cracked my shit right up.
Thanks for the laugh at a time when I really needed one.
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### Author:  [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/127 "2006-12-06T08:55:51Z")
This reaction to the use of “you people” is nothing new. I remembered the criticism of Ross Perot’s use of it when he was campaigning for president and I found this in [Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot):
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> Perot was criticized for a remark made during a speech at the NAACP convention. Perot was sympathizing with the plight of African Americans during tough economic times, but referred to his audience as “you people”, a typical phrase that was deemed to be insensitive by the media.
> These adverse developments were used by the media to tarnish Perot’s image, and his support in opinion polls was no longer rising.
The sublties of language change from location to location. I can’t assume that **Kalhoun** would bring the same experiences to the situation that others have. I’ve not noticed any unkindness or insensitivity on her part before. To the contrary! Now I think she’s probably feeling a little bum and when she doesn’t feel defensive anymore, “the real” **Kalhoun** will show up again.
**Biggirl** , I once scolded you about letting insults slide off your back. Now I am willing to drive the getaway car in dealing with this situation. You’ve ruined me! Tell your daughter that I admire her dignity in getting through that situation. The other woman had no dignity.
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### Author:  [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/128 "2006-12-06T10:03:17Z")
For those who came to a more concrete conclusion after reading **Biggirl** ’s second post clarifying the situation… why? What made it more evident than her opening volley? Because I’m not seeing what the difference is that is SO clear the last go around that wasn’t the first.
And, as a female white southerner who has worked retail, I’ve never had a “you people” tossed my way. However, I’ve heard it used to disparage certain groups, and you always know exactly _how_ they’re aiming when they do it. IE: YOU people = hippies, YOU people = gays, YOU people = religion that they don’t approve of, etc., etc… When you fall into whatever minority, it’s obvious. But then maybe you have to be up close and personal to it in some way to understand that.
**Biggirl** , your daughter IS the better person, no doubt about it. Some day, the attitude expressed by the bitch-of-an-insane customer, will be extinct. I feel so bad for her experience, but fortunately, it’ll only serve to make her stronger and the other one as non-existent as she already is.
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### Author:  [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/129 "2006-12-06T10:16:32Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face]
So why didn’t you just ask **Biggirl** politely to explain why she thought it was a racial matter? I know the reason why your first post in this thread rubbed _me_ the wrong way is because it seemed like your first impulse was to doubt the validity of **Biggirl** and her daughter’s impressions regarding the customer. Which is all too common when it comes to discussions like this.
If you had simply asked **Biggirl** to shed some more light on the incident so that you’d have more evidence to go by, yall probably wouldn’t be squabbling right now.
[/QUOTE]
That’s pretty much what I did…
From my first post:
> [@](#):
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> I can understand that if you’re a person of color you would think that it’s a racial slur, **but from the information you gave us here** , I can also see how the rant was directed at low-level clerk people who are inadequately trained and don’t give a fuck about customer service. **Not that I’m accusing your kid of being any of those things**. I can just see how the bitch **could be pitched one way and received another way entirely**.
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### Author:  [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/130 "2006-12-06T10:29:25Z")
[QUOTE=lissener]
Look. Asshole. Retard.
This is a real world situation, with real world people. They were there, they say it was racism.
All you’re doing is strapping on some angel wings and doing a tapdance on the head of a pin: you’re just debating this in the abstract, as an academic exercise. Your entire position is “Anything is possible; anything can be debated into the ground until everyone involved just wants to shoot themselves to stop the sound of my voice.”
That makes you a boor and an asshole. If your motivation is not drily academic–i.e., if you’re not just a boor and an asshole–and you have some personal reason for sympathizing more with the racist than with the teenage girl whose been hated upon, then you’re more than likely a racist, boorish asshole.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, however, and assume you’re just a boorish asshole.
[/QUOTE]
Nice choice of words, particularly in this thread. Retard? What…are you six years old?
Biggirl _wasn’t there_.
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### Author:  [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/131 "2006-12-06T10:33:32Z")
[QUOTE=MsWhatsit]
“You people” would have sounded pretty damn racist to me in this context, whether I was the salesclerk or someone witnessing the exchange. And for what it’s worth, I worked in a restaurant for about five years and my sister worked retail for about the same length of time; I just checked with her, and neither of us can ever remember being called “you people” by a customer. Called other choice things, yes, but not “you people.”
And dude, lay off **Biggirl**. She posted a rant, later came in to clarify the rant, and got a nice “go fuck yourself” in response. Jesus Christ. I’d have been upset too, if it had happened to my kid, and I doubt I would have bothered to post the entire conversation verbatim in my first post. This isn’t debate club; it’s the Pit.
[/QUOTE]
I didn’t tell her to go fuck herself until she called me a naive racist.
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### Author:  [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/132 "2006-12-06T10:56:08Z")
[QUOTE=Kalhoun]
I didn’t tell her to go fuck herself until she called me a naive racist.
[/QUOTE]
Where did I call you a racist? I didn’t call ANYONE posting in this thread a racist.
Lemme get this straight, you needed more evidence than my OP-- and my daughter’s obvious distress and her own opinion, having lived through the altercation-- that the customer was being a racist but you are so sensitive that me calling you NAIVE equals calling you a racist?
I didn’t even call you an apologist, much less a racist. Now I’m changing my mind. Now I think you ARE an apologist and our whole exchange in this thread was due to your own defensive guilt.
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### Author:  [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/133 "2006-12-06T11:59:07Z")
[QUOTE=Biggirl]
Where did I call you a racist? I didn’t call ANYONE posting in this thread a racist.
Lemme get this straight, you needed more evidence than my OP-- and my daughter’s obvious distress and her own opinion, having lived through the altercation-- that the customer was being a racist but you are so sensitive that me calling you NAIVE equals calling you a racist?
I didn’t even call you an apologist, much less a racist. Now I’m changing my mind. Now I think you ARE an apologist and our whole exchange in this thread was due to your own defensive guilt.
[/QUOTE]
Look, Biggirl…your communications skills were lacking. I never said anything about your daughter’s obvious distress. I never said she was oversensitive. ALL my comments were directed toward the weak portrayal of events you laid out in your original post. I stand by my original statement that, without stretching even a little bit, I could read the customer’s comments as POSSIBLY being related to your daughter’s inclusion in \*any number \* of groups, _including_ the fact that she’s black. The racial slur was neither obvious nor blatant. And I’m not the only one who saw it that way.
Your second post laid out a different scenario with a decidedly harsher tone. Had you posted that at the beginning, there would have been no question in my mind that it was racially motivated. Still, you choose to see only what you want to see. Rather than giving me the benefit of the doubt, or acknowledging that you left out a lot of the detail, you turned the tables and called me (and others) naive.
I wasn’t present during the exchange your daughter had with this customer, _and neither were you_. I can only go by the information provided. For a racist, or for a person that is the object of racist remarks, or for a person from the South, for that matter, the term “You People” may be a clearly racist term. But for others, it’s not that cut-and-dried. And now you choose to call me an apologist? I’ve been on record aound here as being about as far left on the social equality scale as a person can get. You know nothing about me but choose to apply insulting labels to detract from the fact that you omitted important details from your original post. This whole ugly exchange is on you, baby.
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### Author:  [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/134 "2006-12-06T12:18:17Z")
**lissener** , I share your frustration, but I think your passion is way over-the-top. I don’t think people like **Kalhoun** and **bluethree** are racist. I think “naive” is a better term. Or maybe “uninitiated”. If you’ve never heard “you people” used in a racist way, of course you’re going to take their positions. I think it’s unfair to pin “apologist” on them, too.
> [@Hippy Hollow](#):
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> As someone who’s been a person of color all of my life, and at times wanted to act as if my racial identity and race wasn’t terribly important, and conversely at times believed that every negative thing that happened to a Black person was likely rooted in some act of racism, the adult, better-actualized version of me realizes that yes, there are a number of possible explanations for this woman’s jerkass behavior. However, if you live in a multicultural society as I do, you have to realize that the term “you people” has often been used to stereotype and denigrate people of color. In other words, if your head isn’t completely up your own ass, it’s a really loaded phrase and one should think long and hard before dropping a “you people” bomb. If you don’t, you strike me at best as an insensitive jerk who really doesn’t mind if your words carry an extra sting (which makes you somewhat racist, if you can’t eradicate racially loaded terms from outbursts with people who haven’t provoked you in any way and whom you don’t know) or as somebody who is quite aware of what that phrase means, and you meant it quite sincerely (advanced, high functioning racist).
I can’t even use “you people” without channeling Archie Bunker. I can’t imagine someone actually using it non-sarcastically.
Terrific post as usual , **Hippy**!
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### Author:  [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/135 "2006-12-06T13:01:23Z")
[QUOTE=monstro]
**lissener** , I share your frustration, but I think your passion is way over-the-top. I don’t think people like **Kalhoun** and **bluethree** are racist. I think “naive” is a better term. Or maybe “uninitiated”. If you’ve never heard “you people” used in a racist way, of course you’re going to take their positions. I think it’s unfair to pin “apologist” on them, too.
[/QUOTE]
I didn’t even say I never heard it used as a slur! I simply said it wasn’t _necessarily_ a slur. I’m not naive and I’m not uninitiated. I’m simply not willing to slap a label on someone based on the information initially provided.
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### Author:  [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/136 "2006-12-06T13:01:33Z")
Retail, ain’t it a pip?
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### Author:  [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/137 "2006-12-06T13:06:44Z")
[QUOTE=Kalhoun]
I didn’t even say I never heard it used as a slur! I simply said it wasn’t _necessarily_ a slur. I’m not naive and I’m not uninitiated. I’m simply not willing to slap a label on someone based on the information initially provided.
[/QUOTE]
However, you were totally OK with interpreting ‘naive’ as ‘racist’. Methinks you doth protest too much.
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### Author:  [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/138 "2006-12-06T13:15:14Z")
[QUOTE=Biggirl]
However, you were totally OK with interpreting ‘naive’ as ‘racist’. Methinks you doth protest too much.
[/QUOTE]
Again…for the reading-impaired: I interpreted “naive” as naive. I interpreted …
> [@](#):
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> I’m sorry. I didn’t know I had to focus my rage in such a way that meets your approval. Obviously I’m too sensitive to make the judgement myself. **You know how it is with us people**.
… as a thinly-veiled accusation of racism.
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### Author:  [@Brainiac4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brainiac4)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/139 "2006-12-06T13:22:37Z")
**Biggirl** , I’m sorry your daughter had to deal with a racist bitch.
**Kalhoun** , stop digging. I realize you think your position is well-founded, but it’s not. Yes, it is _possible_ that there is another explanation for the choice of words. But the person reporting on the situation has offered an interpretation already. On the strength of her partial reporting, you choose to parse the words to see if there might be another explanation.
How do you know that what she’s typing is what was said? Have you ever tried to reconstruct a conversation after the fact? Even if you were there, did you get every word right? I bet you got the tone and emotional content right, but the exact words? Probably not. When you’re dealing with someone reporting an emotionally-charged exchange, parsing the exact words to try to find alternate meanings is a waste of time.
At this point, you’re responsible for most of the antagonism in this thread. Not that you’ve posted the most, but had you not taken the position you did and introduced the confrontational tone, it would likely not have happened. Stop digging. Apologize for your original tone (if not for your doubt, and for your later possibly-justified escalations) and move on. You’re not going to win.
And \*\*Random \*\*-- your reply to \*\*lissener \*\*was a masterwork.
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### Author:  [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2006, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-are-getting-better-thats-what-i-told-my-daughter/382990/140 "2006-12-06T13:42:18Z")
[QUOTE=Kalhoun]
Again…for the reading-impaired: I interpreted “naive” as naive. I interpreted …
… as a thinly-veiled accusation of racism.
[/QUOTE]
Ah, so the bitch who made my daughter cry gets the benefit of the doubt, the remark that YOU made–
> [@Kalhoun](#):
>
> And if YOU would have given us the whole story from the beginning, YOU might have gotten the response you wanted. What the Ever Lovin’ Fuck.
gets a pass too. But my response to your quoted snideness is a thinly-veiled accusation of racism? Hoookay.
Nice talking to you. Perhaps we’ll meet in another thread where you don’t piss me off so royally. Bye now!
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