# Things I find rude and will make me look down on you **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 11, 2013, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849 "2013-01-11T12:15:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![tim-n-va](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim-n-va/32/3001_2.png) [@tim-n-va](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim-n-va)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/201 "2013-01-15T02:59:59Z")
Okay, you wheel into the men’s room. Two regular stalls are empty. The bigger stall is occupied. Someone comes out of the that stall a few minutes later, no visible disability. How do you know how many stalls were occupied when he entered? How do you know if he has a condition that entitles him to use of that stall. I think it is rude to jump to conclusions. On the other topic, your clothes are not irreplaceable at any cost. It is inconvenient and expensive at worst. If you can’t find clothes that fit, buy something that doesn’t fit and have it altered. ---
**Author:** ![Sevencl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sevencl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevencl)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/202 "2013-01-15T03:01:05Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > And so? They should just lose their jobs when they get sick? Fail to pay the bills? Not be able to feed their families? Get evicted? Yes to all of those things - if they were realistic concerns. No one has any right to risk the health of others. It’s just not your place to decide your paycheck is more important that someone else’s health. I know a lot better than most people what poor sleep is like, and I also know that people don’t need as much sleep as they think they do. Besides which, nothing stopping them going to bed earlier and getting up earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/203 "2013-01-15T03:05:03Z")
> [@Sevencl](#): > > Yes to all of those things - if they were realistic concerns. No one has any right to risk the health of others. It’s just not your place to decide your paycheck is more important that someone else’s health. It’s not your place to decide when a stranger has to give up a paycheck, lose a job, or lose a living. > [@](#): > > I know a lot better than most people what poor sleep is like, and I also know that people don’t need as much sleep as they think they do. Besides which, nothing stopping them going to bed earlier and getting up earlier. Bullshit on every sentence. Every study shows that Americans are chronically sleep deprived. And what the fuck do you mean nothing is stopping them from going to bed earlier? How the fuck would you know? ---
**Author:** ![Sevencl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sevencl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevencl)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/204 "2013-01-15T03:11:22Z")
> [@tim-n-va](#): > > On the other topic, your clothes are not irreplaceable at any cost. It is inconvenient and expensive at worst. If you can’t find clothes that fit, buy something that doesn’t fit and have it altered. If I can’t go out and find something in my own size, what makes you think it exists in bigger sizes? And even if it did, alterations can’t work miracles. You can’t take a tent and expect them to turn it into a fitted coat that looks the same. ---
**Author:** ![Sevencl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sevencl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevencl)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/205 "2013-01-15T03:18:43Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > It’s not your place to decide when a stranger has to give up a paycheck, lose a job, or lose a living. > > Bullshit on every sentence. Every study shows that Americans are chronically sleep deprived. And what the fuck do you mean nothing is stopping them from going to bed earlier? How the fuck would you know? It really is my place. It becomes my place right when you come near me with your illness. I’d rather you lose your job than make me sick, and if YOU’RE in a position to lose your job for taking time off sick, why wouldn’t I be? And I don’t care if someone is sleep deprived. That is not a reason to make everyone else’s day unpleasant. I’m constantly sleep deprived, yet I manage to make the effort to not make public transportation any more unpleasant than it has to be. ---
**Author:** ![midnight-dreary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@midnight-dreary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/midnight-dreary)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/206 "2013-01-15T03:20:05Z")
> [@Sevencl](#): > > For some things there just isn’t an acceptable excuse. No paid sick days? Nor might the guy on the bus who catches what you’ve got have any. And your colleagues probably don’t get any more paid sick days than you do, so why take it there? > > As for eating on the bus, it really isn’t the best anyone can manage. If someone’s finding themselves with no time to eat except while jammed in between some total strangers, they could get up earlier. I leave home at 11:50. I have back to back classes and I don’t get home until 8:40. How does ‘getting up earlier’ help? I have a meal before I go out, but I need one before I get home. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/207 "2013-01-15T03:21:53Z")
> [@tim-n-va](#): > > Okay, you wheel into the men’s room. Two regular stalls are empty. The bigger stall is occupied. Someone comes out of the that stall a few minutes later, no visible disability. How do you know how many stalls were occupied when he entered? How do you know if he has a condition that entitles him to use of that stall. > > I think it is rude to jump to conclusions. Who’s jumped to any conclusions? Any time such a occurrence happens (as the one you’ve laid out) I am always careful to be _observant_ and polite. I ask the person, if they appear completely physically capable, if the standard stalls were both occupied when they chose the handicap stall. In the thirteen years I have used a wheelchair, I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve encountered someone who, upon being asked this courteous question, informed me of their 'invisible disability" which necessitated them using the handicapped stall. I am aware of other disabilities besides my own and, despite the claims here that some disabilities that require use of the handicap stall are totally and completely _invisible_ to the naked eye, most of these disabilities are discernible from healthy, able-bodiedness (if that’s even a word). If I have even an inkling of doubt as to someone’s disability status, I keep my mouth shut. And those who DO get asked this question and are legitimately disabled always receive the question very understandably and in good graces. Why wouldn’t they? They deal with the same stuff. It’s only ever the jerks who shouldn’t be using it in the first place who get angry with me for asking them such questions. What I _have_ had happen, almost every single time, is the person tell me, “Yes, the stalls were occupied”, even in instances when I watched that person enter the stall when no one else was even using any stall at all (instances like this happen fairly regularly in the locker room at my gym, which has a clear-view path from the toilets to the locker area). ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/208 "2013-01-15T03:24:23Z")
> [@Sevencl](#): > > Well, even if that could fix every problem, it’s expensive and inconvenient, so (again, even if it was a magic cure-all) it doesn’t make it okay to eat where you could ruin someone’s clothes. Every time you leave the house you are taking the risk of getting shit on your clothes. In fact, that’s one of the principle purposes of clothes, to take the hit and keep the shit off of you. If you can’t afford to get your clothes dry cleaned then you can’t afford dry-clean-only clothes. Wear washable stuff or stay in your limo. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/209 "2013-01-15T03:28:32Z")
> [@Sevencl](#): > > It really is my place. It becomes my place right when you come near me with your illness. I’d rather you lose your job than make me sick, and if YOU’RE in a position to lose your job for taking time off sick, why wouldn’t I be? That’s just life. Sometimes you get sick because someone else near you is sick. Unless you’re going to offer to pay for someone else’s life, then it really isn’t your business. > [@](#): > > And I don’t care if someone is sleep deprived Perfect. Then no one else needs to care about the unpleasantness of your bus rides ---
**Author:** ![Sevencl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sevencl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevencl)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/210 "2013-01-15T03:30:15Z")
> [@midnight-dreary](#): > > I leave home at 11:50. I have back to back classes and I don’t get home until 8:40. > > How does ‘getting up earlier’ help? I have a meal before I go out, but I need one before I get home. So eat later. Or eat anywhere that isn’t in the middle of a crush of people. I’m not saying the only place you should eat is at home, just don’t do it when you’re surrounded by a bunch of strangers who may not appreciate the smell, greasy hands touching the stop button or poles (maybe you carry wipes or hand sanitizer, but I’ve never seen anyone eating on a bus clean their hands) or being near potentially messy food. ---
**Author:** ![Sevencl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sevencl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevencl)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/211 "2013-01-15T03:32:10Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > That’s just life. Sometimes you get sick because someone else near you is sick. Unless you’re going to offer to pay for someone else’s life, then it really isn’t your business. > > Perfect. Then no one else needs to care about the unpleasantness of your bus rides How the fuck is getting sick because you gave it to me not my business? Nothing could be MORE my business! ---
**Author:** ![Sevencl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sevencl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevencl)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/212 "2013-01-15T03:36:24Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Every time you leave the house you are taking the risk of getting shit on your clothes. In fact, that’s one of the principle purposes of clothes, to take the hit and keep the shit off of you. > If you can’t afford to get your clothes dry cleaned then you can’t afford dry-clean-only clothes. Wear washable stuff or stay in your limo. There’s the standard risk of getting clothes dirty, then there’s shit that increases the risk unnecessarily. And like I said before, dry cleaning isn’t a panacea. It also causes some clothes to wear out faster. ---
**Author:** ![midnight-dreary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@midnight-dreary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/midnight-dreary)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/213 "2013-01-15T03:46:49Z")
> [@Sevencl](#): > > So eat later. Or eat anywhere that isn’t in the middle of a crush of people. I’m not saying the only place you should eat is at home, just don’t do it when you’re surrounded by a bunch of strangers who may not appreciate the smell, greasy hands touching the stop button or poles (maybe you carry wipes or hand sanitizer, but I’ve never seen anyone eating on a bus clean their hands) or being near potentially messy food. Eat later? Usually by the time I’m on the train, I’m already have a hypo. Which would you rather? Someone eating something or someone collapsing, and starting to have a fit? I do make sure that I don’t eat messy or smelly food, and I try to eat while I run across the street and up and down the steps to the train, but it’s rather hard to eat and run at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Sevencl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sevencl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevencl)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/214 "2013-01-15T03:55:32Z")
> [@midnight-dreary](#): > > Eat later? Usually by the time I’m on the train, I’m already have a hypo. > > Which would you rather? Someone eating something or someone collapsing, and starting to have a fit? > > I do make sure that I don’t eat messy or smelly food, and I try to eat while I run across the street and up and down the steps to the train, but it’s rather hard to eat and run at the same time. You have a medical condition. That’s a good reason. Also, you go out of your way to be considerate about it. Most people really don’t need to be eating greasy, condiment laden burgers taller than their mouths in the middle of a crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/215 "2013-01-15T03:56:25Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > You’re claiming that your dick is SO huge that you can’t put your legs together? Do you have elephantiasis of the nuts? I made no such claims. You inferred that. Sometimes, ‘the boys’, especially when it’s hot, don’t always like to stay close to home. So yeah, knees apart are necessary. But it’s not like I’m trying to do the splits or anything. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/216 "2013-01-15T04:15:59Z")
> [@Sevencl](#): > > As for a bird, well, I live in terror of that, but I can’t expect birds to practice common courtesy. There’s always the Urban Sombrero or perhaps a coolie hat? ---
**Author:** ![Brynda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Brynda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brynda)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/217 "2013-01-15T05:03:56Z")
**Sevencl** , it looks to me that everyone is damning around saying this: Your fear of getting food on your clothes is not rational. You can have the opinion that you don’t like people eating on public transport because opinions are just that, opinions. However, trying to garner support for that opinion by saying it is dangerous to your clothes is…well…sorta nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/218 "2013-01-15T07:07:15Z")
My trigger is the numbskull that can’t make a campfire without smoking up the entire campgrounds. If I wanted to breathe somebody else’s noxious smoke all night I’d have gone to the bar. Oh wait, they’re smoke free now. What the hell is wrong with this country when the air quality at the corner bar is better than at the state park? ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/219 "2013-01-15T10:11:36Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > I agree with #2 but think it should be expanded. There should be no eating allowed in public. I can’t stand to smell their food or listen to these imbeciles chomp and slurp and burp. Especially in restuarants. God the fucking morons in restuarants eating and chatting away. Shut the fuck up already. I don’t want to hear that when I’m eating at that restuarant. No one should be allowed to eat in restuarants. > > Also babies and toddlers. No babies or toddlers should be allowed in public. I’m diabetic. Sometimes I just have to eat. I’d rather offend you than, well, die. I’m weird like that. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849/220 "2013-01-15T10:33:20Z")
> [@Sevencl](#): > > You have a medical condition. That’s a good reason. Also, you go out of your way to be considerate about it. Most people really don’t need to be eating greasy, condiment laden burgers taller than their mouths in the middle of a crowd. And when you are busy judging people, how to your know whether they have a medical condition? Do you glare at them and demand their medical records? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-i-find-rude-and-will-make-me-look-down-on-you/646849.md?page=12)