# Things in songs, movies,etc.. that shocked you others missed **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 12, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699 "2018-02-12T18:05:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/41 "2018-02-14T04:16:21Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > In _The Avengers_, while he’s being interrogated by Black Widow, Loki calls her a “mewling quim.” By using an obscure, dated term that most U.S. viewers wouldn’t recognize, Joss Whedon got away with having him call her a: > > whining cunt I remember Creative Assembly snuck a similar term past the censors back when they released the first Medieval Total War - the last or next to last upgrade of the tavern was called a “Cunnywarren”. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/42 "2018-02-14T06:15:40Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Bolding for Emphasis. > > If the phrase is both “obscure” and “something most US viewers won’t recognize” then why are you shocked? Maybe shocked isn’t quite the right term. I knew what the term meant when I first saw the film, and my reaction was more of “wow, did he just say what I thought he said?” Followed by my amusement, as I noted in my first post, that Whedon was able to sneak a pretty vulgar insult into the film by using an obscure term (which, as **pulykamell** notes, also just fits the Loki character so very well). ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/43 "2018-02-14T14:56:32Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Maybe shocked isn’t quite the right term. I knew what the term meant when I first saw the film, and my reaction was more of “wow, did he just say what I thought he said?” Followed by my amusement, as I noted in my first post, that Whedon was able to sneak a pretty vulgar insult into the film by using an obscure term (which, as **pulykamell** notes, also just fits the Loki character so very well). Ah, ok…So you’re shocked it got past the censors moreso than you are that the theater didn’t gasp and riot. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/44 "2018-02-14T15:23:07Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I thought he wanted to have sex with her, but was not willing to marry her. That’s “Paradise by the Dashboard Light”. And “Bat out of Hell”. And “Two out of Three Ain’t Bad.” So, yeah, pretty much every Meatloaf song. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/45 "2018-02-14T15:47:07Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > well there’s the wham/George Michael song that’s basically telling his trampy gf that he doesn’t want a threesome … He won’t do that? What song are you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/46 "2018-02-14T15:55:31Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Wait, “mewling quim” was in Canterbury Tales? I took an entire semester class on that and I somehow don’t remember it. Where was it? (I do remember some variant of “cunt” there, though. Maybe spelled with a “qu” like “queynte” or something like that. ETA: [Yes, that one I remember right](https://skepticalhumanities.com/2011/01/18/chaucers-cunt/).) The noun is used in “The Miller’s Tale”. Nicholas grabs Alisoun by that part of her anatomy whilst making her acquaintance. The adjective, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/47 "2018-02-14T16:00:50Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Why is that shocking? 😕 I have delicate sensibilities. Maybe shocked isn’t quite the right term . I just couldn’t believe none of my cohorts were familiar with [the song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_TbovyVOzs). Oblivious. Didn’t even know who the Moody Blues were. I’m still a little offended, actually. So yeah, it bloody well WAS shocking! I think I need a hug… ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/48 "2018-02-15T19:17:48Z")
There’s a song on the Alan Parsons Project album _Try Anything Once_ called “Wine from the Water,” which includes the line: “…I can wind you up, I can turn you round No cunning stunts, till the lady’s found…” I often wondered if there was a little sly wordplay going on there (especially given there’s a joke with the same sort of thing). It’s definitely out of character for APP songs, though (they got criticized for using “pain in the ass” in one of their songs when it first came out). ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/49 "2018-02-15T23:36:01Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > The only places I’d heard/read it prior to _The Avengers_ were in Chaucer and John Valby. Major props to John Valby, aka “Dr. Dirt”. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/50 "2018-02-16T00:08:12Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > There’s a song on the Alan Parsons Project album _Try Anything Once_ called “Wine from the Water,” which includes the line: > > “…I can wind you up, I can turn you round > No cunning stunts, till the lady’s found…” A similar line from Deep Purple’s “[Knocking At Your Back Door](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7GERh0sQzY)” (which is, of course, a naughty reference to start with): “So we put her on the hit list Of a common cunning linguist A master of many tongues” ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/51 "2018-02-16T00:13:47Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > The noun is used in “The Miller’s Tale”. Nicholas grabs Alisoun by that part of her anatomy whilst making her acquaintance. > > The adjective, not so much. The line in the Miller’s tale uses the word “queynte.” > [@](#): > > Now, sire, and eft, sire, so bifel the cas, > That on a day this hende Nicholas > 165 Fil with this yonge wyf to rage and pleye, > Whil that her housbonde was at Oseneye, > As clerkes ben ful subtile and ful queynte; > And prively he caughte hire by the queynte ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/52 "2018-02-16T01:07:43Z")
There have been a few things on existing TV Tropes pages for creative works that I can’t believe nobody beat me to adding. For example: _Fallout 4_ had been out for nearly two years before I added the shout outs to John McLane and Martin Riggs. They’re both an entry in a BADTFL terminal. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/53 "2018-02-16T02:24:56Z")
Here’s something that nobody noticed but it may because it doesn’t exist, BUT: I’ve read one account that claims that in the second verse of ‘Yesterday,’ McCartney is actually singing: “Yes, today came suddenly.” It kind of makes sense that he would sing this. In the song, he’s yearning for how happy he was yesterday so why would he also be talking about how yesterday “came suddenly?” Its TODAY that came as a shock, right? Anyway, if Paul didn’t sing “Yes, today came suddenly,” he really should have. But no matter how hard I listen, I can’t tell if that’s what he’s singing. ---
**Author:** ![Lorne\_Armstrong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@Lorne\_Armstrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lorne_Armstrong)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/54 "2018-02-16T05:46:32Z")
The song “Jailhouse Rock” is about homosexual romance in prison. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/55 "2018-02-16T07:17:44Z")
In Lady Gaga’s _Poker Face_, she’s singing “P-p-p-poker face, f-f-fuck her face.” ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/56 "2018-02-16T11:51:32Z")
> [@Lorne\_Armstrong](#): > > The song “Jailhouse Rock” is about homosexual romance in prison. I very much doubt that, ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/57 "2018-02-16T14:19:43Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > Even at that in the end, it is still not that clear. > > So I sat and “suffered” it again on youtube. Weird sort of phantom of the opera vibe going on there. > > Firstly on reading the lyrics that I did, there was no clear indication of who was singing, indeed I wasn’t even sure that there was anyone apart from Meatloaf singing in it. So the last bit is sung by the object of his affection. > > So in the end, the conclusion still holds. Why? > > **“but”** > > If it was “And”, yeah, sure. Maybe but “but”. The usage indicates that she’s requesting him to do something and he’s refusing, it is too far. Maybe in the last verses the “but” isn’t used. “But” previously in the song there is a limit which he’s stating he will not do. > > Maybe in the end, leaving her when they get old might be something he’s definitely unwilling to do. > > But whatever she requested him to do, and he refuses, is unspecified… I agree with this and have always been of the opinion the song makes no sense because Meat Loaf uses the word “but” yet all the things he says he won’t do are things nobody is going to ask for him to do. Anybody confused by what Meat Loaf won’t do for love is parsing it as a real person would speak, looking for a point where he’s saying “I won’t do that” to something someone might actually ask him to do. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/58 "2018-02-16T14:39:06Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > I very much doubt that, I don’t see how it could NOT be, actually. Coed prisons don’t exist now, let alone at the time of Jailhouse Rock. Plus, it’s only guys dancing around in the [official video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj0Rz-uP4Mk) If one male prisoner is calling another “the cutest little jailbird I ever did see”, what else could he be talking about? That he has a cute appendicitis? 🙂 What did they think they were saying? You tell your cellmate or one of the guys on the cellblock in prison you think he’s cute and see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/59 "2018-02-16T14:43:25Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > In Lady Gaga’s _Poker Face_, she’s singing “P-p-p-poker face, f-f-fuck her face.” Wait, what? ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699/60 "2018-02-16T14:59:45Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > The line in the Miller’s tale uses the word “queynte.” In The Prologue to the Wife of Bath’s Tale, he uses “queynte” and “belle chose” (“pretty thing”, an obvious euphemism) > [@](#): > > Oon of us two moste bowen, doutelees; > And sith a man is moore resonable, > Than womman is, ye moste been suffrable." > What eyleth yow to grucche thus and grone? > 450 Is it for ye wolde have my queynte allone? > Wy, taak it al! lo, have it every deel! > Peter! I shrewe yow, but ye love it weel; > For if I wolde selle my bele chose, > I koude walke as fressh as is a rose > 455 But I wol kepe it for youre owene tooth. [http://www.librarius.com/canttran/wifetale/wifetale437-456.htm](http://www.librarius.com/canttran/wifetale/wifetale437-456.htm) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-in-songs-movies-etc-that-shocked-you-others-missed/808699.md?page=4)