# Things that are, and aren't, "both-sides-ism" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 7, 2020, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-that-are-and-arent-both-sides-ism/855214 "2020-06-07T22:23:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-that-are-and-arent-both-sides-ism/855214/1 "2020-06-07T22:23:57Z")
IMHO, some accusations of “both-sides-ism” are due to a confusion of people thinking that someone is saying that two sides **are** the same, versus saying that they _think_ the same. For instance, there is a big difference between saying “We are no different than ISIS” and saying “We think we’re the good guys and ISIS is the bad guys, but in their eyes they are the good guys and we are the bad guys.” The former is equating two sides as being the same (and America and the West does not throw gays off rooftops or force women into slavery) whereas the latter is just a factual description of how people think. For an another example - if someone says “Democrats and Republicans both regard each other as a dire threat to the nation that must be politically stopped at all costs,” that is not saying that both sides are the same, it is simply saying both sides think and feel the same. (Pew, Gallup, and many other polling groups have shown that both sides have increasingly identical but negative sentiments towards the other.) Sure, there are some who genuinely do think both sides (whatever the issue may be) are the same. But there are others who aren’t - they are merely saying that both sides _feel_ the same even if are _not_ actually the same. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-that-are-and-arent-both-sides-ism/855214/2 "2020-06-08T00:21:07Z")
Valid. Both major US parties want to control Congress, the WH, the courts, and state governments. Only one side is practicing large-scale voter suppression. They _think_ the same thing, but their actual practice is vastly different. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-that-are-and-arent-both-sides-ism/855214/3 "2020-06-08T00:40:12Z")
True. Adopting a purportedly objective even-handed perspective to declare _“both sides are equally bad”_ or some such is not the same thing as observing that each side _believes_ the other to be the bad guys. On rereading, not seeing much of a debate here? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-that-are-and-arent-both-sides-ism/855214/4 "2020-06-09T17:13:13Z")
It depends on what thoughts are being compared. Example 1: “The Nazis think the Jews are a threat to civilization and the Jews think the Nazi’s are a threat to civilization”. Not quite a false equivalence, since both statements about the beliefs are true, but only in one case is that belief correct. Example 2: “Nazi’s believe the Jews are biologically inferior, and the Jews believe the Nazi’s are biologically inferior” is a false equivalence, since it is simply superimposing and reversing the beliefs of the Nazi’s on to the Jews, when in fact their beliefs are not equivalent in this regard.