# Things the Opposition are saying **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 5, 2008, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279 "2008-11-05T15:55:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279/41 "2008-11-10T20:32:33Z")
> [@Bobotheoptimist](#): > > Hmm, you read a message board dedicated to something that the next administration has stated they intend to eradicate and you’re surprised they don’t like the guy? There’s a difference between not liking the guy and opposing his views, and shouting that this is the End of America. Not to mention the falsehoods they still believe and the racist claptrap they spout. What’s funny is the number of people on the other side who claim to be patriots, but who would trash the Constitution just because they lost this time. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279/42 "2008-11-10T20:46:25Z")
I wonder if anyone claimed that George Bush stole the election; or is the antichrist; or represents the “end of America” ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279/43 "2008-11-10T21:00:48Z")
My wife was out yesterday with some of her relations on the right-leaning side, and apparently they were quite upset that our new president is a Muslim. See, I don’t even get that. Were they asleep when the RNC was bemoaning the stuff Reverend Wright, Obama’s former church pastor, was saying and imputing it to Obama himself? So, what, he’s a Muslim, who goes to a Christian church? Am I the only one who sees the logical disconnect there? You can’t have both “scandals”, people, you just can’t. It’s either “Obama is a tree-hugging vegetarian!” or “Obama eats babies!” but not both. Trying for both makes you look stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279/44 "2008-11-10T21:19:05Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > So, what, he’s a Muslim, who goes to a Christian church? He’s in an Islamist sleeper cell full of people posing as Christians. They chose Wright because he’s an authentic mainstream black minister, the better to play to the minority voters. > [@](#): > > Trying for both makes you look stupid. The kind of people who would believe the above are so far in their own echo chamber they have no idea what the outside world thinks of them. Their universe is a (flaming) cross between the X-Files and the Turner Diaries. ---
**Author:** ![Subway\_Prophet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecb155/32.png) [@Subway\_Prophet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subway_Prophet)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279/45 "2008-11-10T21:20:53Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > My wife was out yesterday with some of her relations on the right-leaning side, and apparently they were quite upset that our new president is a Muslim. > > See, I don’t even get that. Were they asleep when the RNC was bemoaning the stuff Reverend Wright, Obama’s former church pastor, was saying and imputing it to Obama himself? So, what, he’s a Muslim, who goes to a Christian church? Am I the only one who sees the logical disconnect there? How apropos. I just had this conversation with a family member of mine, over the weekend. She opposed Obama for just that reason, which really surprised me since her husband is an Obama supporter. I was actually kind of shocked, since she’s typically the intelligent one of the two. Not only did she use that spurious non-logic you just described, but her reasons for not voting for a Muslim was that the USA is currently at war with Muslim (sic) and she can’t support a president who is from that part of the world. If we weren’t at war with Muslim (sic), the Muslim faith wouldn’t be an issue. She thought “Muslim” was, amongst other things, a country in Africa where Obama was born before he was smuggled into America. Later in the conversation it comes out that she’s a big fan of Palin, because she heard a speech of hers once. She hadn’t listened to, or informed herself of, any of the other candidates. I’m still trying to figure out how to respond to her without incurring unspeakable acts of rage. And it’s partly my fault - I had plenty of chats about Obama with her husband before the election, and I just blindly assumed that her attitudes were similar to his because they usually are. I just never thought that there could be someone so blatantly ignorant within my local family, without setting off my alarms sooner. ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279/46 "2008-11-10T22:04:28Z")
“We are a collective noun.” ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279/47 "2008-11-10T22:12:52Z")
You is not. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279/48 "2008-11-10T22:34:35Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I wonder if anyone claimed that George Bush stole the election; or is the antichrist; or represents the “end of America” Only the first, AFAIK. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279/49 "2008-11-10T22:42:46Z")
> [@Subway\_Prophet](#): > > I was actually kind of shocked, **since she’s typically the intelligent one of the two.** > Not only did she use that spurious non-logic you just described, but her reasons for not voting for a Muslim was that the **USA is currently at war with Muslim (sic) and she can’t support a president who is from that part of the world. If we weren’t at war with Muslim (sic), the Muslim faith wouldn’t be an issue. She thought “Muslim” was, amongst other things, a country in Africa where Obama was born before he was smuggled into America.** Does not compute. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279/50 "2008-11-10T22:56:02Z")
> [@Subway\_Prophet](#): > > her reasons for not voting for a Muslim was that the USA is currently at war with Muslim (sic) and she can’t support a president who is from that part of the world… She thought “Muslim” was, amongst other things, a country in Africa where Obama was born before he was smuggled into America. Ar? 😕 > [@](#): > > Location: Mullet, TX Ah. That explains it. 😉😃 ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279/51 "2008-11-10T23:00:19Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > …and… > > > [@](#): > > > > Wonder when he starts having flower girls drop pedals in front of him when he walks? Heh. I think I’d actually like to see that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279/52 "2008-11-10T23:08:32Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > From a [right-wing blog](http://thevalleytruth.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/the-supreme-court-and-obamas-birth-certificate/): > > > [@](#): > > > > At this point, Supreme Court Justice David Souter’s Clerk informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied, but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond. > > This in response on another message board: > > > [@](#): > > > > A forged certificate will be fronted to the Supreme Court. > > > > I took four semesters of document analysis in college, and I will tell you that a successful forgery - one that will fool everybody - will not be possible. That means that the testimony of the ‘experts’ who examine the forgery, will itself be forged - and everybody will be happy, even knowing that that is what happened. In other words, the fix is in. I, admittedly, haven’t followed the fake birth certificate story as closely as I probably should have, but I don’t get it at all. How in the world does a story like this have legs for so long, after being debunked so many times? Am I missing something? ---
**Author:** ![Subway\_Prophet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecb155/32.png) [@Subway\_Prophet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subway_Prophet)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279/53 "2008-11-10T23:18:13Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > Does not compute. See? That’s what I should’ve said when she and I were discussing it. (Note… “does not compute”… check.) She’s not typically a stupid person - she tutors high school calculus and plays multiple instruments for crying out loud. She has an uncanny knack for obscure trivia. Plays a mean game of Settlers of Catan. She knows which US Constitutional Amendments say what. Clever girl, sharp memory. Which is why I was completely and utterly gobsmacked to hear this coming from her. ETA: I recognize that I may be confusing the high degree of respect I have (had?) for her talents, with notions of her intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279/54 "2008-11-10T23:18:42Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > I, admittedly, haven’t followed the fake birth certificate story as closely as I probably should have, but I don’t get it at all. How in the world does a story like this have legs for so long, after being debunked so many times? Am I missing something? Never underestimate the power of Stupid. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279/55 "2008-11-11T00:33:01Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > I, admittedly, haven’t followed the fake birth certificate story as closely as I probably should have, but I don’t get it at all. How in the world does a story like this have legs for so long, after being debunked so many times? Am I missing something? It’s like . . . Well, check out [this _South Park_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_of_the_Urinal_Deuce) episode. Also [this article.](http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071112/hayes) And when evil synergizes with stupid, you get something like the Obama-born-in-Kenya meme. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279/56 "2008-11-11T01:04:17Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Only the first, AFAIK. I suggest you do an internet search on “bush antichrist”; and “bush ‘end of america’”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-the-opposition-are-saying/471279.md?page=2)