# Things which aren't from where their name suggests **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 5, 2018, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000 "2018-11-05T11:38:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/101 "2018-11-06T06:04:46Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > The US has Marathon bars? :eek: I had no idea! Not for quite a long time, now; the [U.S. Marathon candy bar](http://www.retroland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Marathon-Bar.jpg) (a sort of twisted braid of chocolate and caramel) was introduced in the early 1970s, and I think it was discontinued by the early '80s (though Burpo the Wonder Mutt’s post suggests one might be able to find them again). As you can see, the only thing it had in common with the UK Marathon bar was the name. [The early ads for it featured John Wayne’s son, Patrick, as “Marathon John.”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0QykM1Ge-U) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/102 "2018-11-06T07:10:16Z")
> [@Saltire](#): > > We still have something by that name here in the U.S. Quite popular. > > Can’t say it doesn’t originate in the Milky Way, though. That’s true! It _does_ originate is the Milky Way, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/103 "2018-11-06T08:33:29Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > What’s the Red Hook - New York connection I’m so obviously missing? There is a town in New York, up the Hudson, called Red Hook. Not much of a town, but I have heard of it enough that when I saw my first bottle of Red Hook, I asked why they named it for a town in New York. ---
**Author:** ![Didactylos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a183cd/32.png) [@Didactylos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Didactylos)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/104 "2018-11-06T10:10:11Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Similarly, in Hungary there is a “French salad” _franciasaláta_, which is basically peas and carrots and often finely diced potato suspended in copious amounts of mayonnaise, with some pickles thrown in for some zesty tang. It looks like a “salad” that should have originated in Minnesota or Wisconsin or something. I don’t know for certain that it doesn’t have any actual French connections, but it sure as heck doesn’t look like something the French would throw together. Maybe it’s the mayo that makes it “French.” In Denmark this is used as a condiment in/on sandwiches, but is called “Italian Salad”, the reason being that the colours of the three main ingredients corresponds to the colours of the Italian flag. Yeah, I didn’t say it was a good reason :-). Acording to Wikipedia it was invented by a belgian chef working in Russia. Italians call it Russian salad, russians call it Olivier salad. ---
**Author:** ![Sangahyando](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Sangahyando](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sangahyando)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/105 "2018-11-06T10:42:28Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > I think of both “Dutch oven” and “Chinese checkers” as meaning “…the fake or wrong type, from a place where they supposedly do everything wrong or backwards or messed up” With England and the Netherlands having long engaged in hot rivalry for trade and empire – and having fought the odd war with each other over same – the English have a tendency toward cliche-metaphors re things Dutch (as also with things French), generally implying as per **DavidwithanR** ’s words. Not “Dutch oven” that I’m aware of; but (with the Dutch having a name for stinginess among other things) – Dutch treat (everyone pays for themselves); Dutch courage (the sort of courage you get from a bottle); Dutch auction (not like the Chinese auction mentioned upthread, but one where the bidding starts high and gets progressively lower; Dutch wife (a large pillow which you can cuddle in the absence of a live partner); Dutch uncle (an older, wise adviser / mentor – unrelated, so not quite as good as a genuine uncle). AFAIK, nothing directly sex-related – maybe Calvinists tend to be limited and unimaginative in their sexual doings 😉 . ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/106 "2018-11-06T13:05:19Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > > [@pulykamell](#): > > > > What’s the Red Hook - New York connection I’m so obviously missing? > > There is a town in New York, up the Hudson, called Red Hook. Not much of a town, but I have heard of it enough that when I saw my first bottle of Red Hook, I asked why they named it for a town in New York. I suspect that Red Hook is better known as a neighborhood in Brooklyn. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/107 "2018-11-06T13:07:20Z")
> [@Didactylos](#): > > In Denmark this is used as a condiment in/on sandwiches, but is called “Italian Salad”, the reason being that the colours of the three main ingredients corresponds to the colours of the Italian flag. Yeah, I didn’t say it was a good reason :-). Carrots are orange. That would make an Irish flag. Or do carrots grow red in Denmark? 😕 Mexicans got the colors right in _salsa bandera_ ‘flag sauce’, made of green jalapeño & cilantro, white onion, red tomato. ---
**Author:** ![Balthisar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/balthisar/32/2825_2.png) [@Balthisar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balthisar)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/108 "2018-11-06T13:24:33Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > Kiwifruit is native to China, which is also grows the majority of the world’s crop. New Zealand got in on it, which lead to its renaming, but is only the 3rd largest grower. Italy grows more! No one else still calls them “Chinese gooseberries”? Yeah, me neither. Oh, a new one to add: Gobi Manchurian isn’t actually from Manchuria. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/109 "2018-11-06T13:36:17Z")
> [@Balthisar](#): > > Ham comes from the leg (in both countries). Canadian bacon is smoked like ham, but from the back, which is why Ontarians (at least) call it back bacon. Peameal is the same cut, but would be cured without smoking, and of course has been rolled in peameal. Correct. The point is that “Canadian Bacon” is an American term for a type of ham. Canadians don’t call it that, it’s not of Canadian origin, and those of us that do use the term are referring to something else which is also not of Canadian origin. ---
**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/110 "2018-11-06T13:52:27Z")
There are probably a lot cocktails that qualify. Off the top of my head, I think the Moscow Mule, White Russian, and Black Russian all originated in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/111 "2018-11-06T14:14:47Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Similarly, in Hungary there is a “French salad” _franciasaláta_, which is basically peas and carrots and often finely diced potato suspended in copious amounts of mayonnaise, with some pickles thrown in for some zesty tang. It looks like a “salad” that should have originated in Minnesota or Wisconsin or something. I don’t know for certain that it doesn’t have any actual French connections, but it sure as heck doesn’t look like something the French would throw together. Maybe it’s the mayo that makes it “French.” OOOH I Know that one! In Spanish it’s called _ensaladilla rusa_, Russian salad. In Russia it’s called French salad, as we found out during a meal in which some of the guests happened to be from Russia. According to these, it was invented in Russia by a French chef (maybe he already knew it, but it’s unlikely as it’s indeed not something easily found in France). It’s a double-nationality salad! ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/112 "2018-11-06T14:18:32Z")
There’s a chain of fried chicken joints in the UK called “Maryland Chicken.” As far as I can tell it has nothing to do with Maryland at all, it’s just an American-style fast food restaurant. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/113 "2018-11-06T14:19:51Z")
Not Malaya Nor Myanmar Just America In your car Burma-Shave ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/114 "2018-11-06T14:59:14Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > the [U.S. Marathon candy bar](http://www.retroland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Marathon-Bar.jpg) (a sort of twisted braid of chocolate and caramel) That’s a Curly Wurly! French/Russian Salad sounds like what Cross&Blackwell just call “sandwich spread” ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/115 "2018-11-06T15:07:23Z")
Outback Steakhouse was founded in Tampa FL ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/116 "2018-11-06T15:31:35Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > That’s a Curly Wurly! > French/Russian Salad sounds like what Cross&Blackwell just call “sandwich spread” Looking at pics of C&B’s sandwich spread, the salads we’re talking about seem to be far more vegetable heavy. [Here’s an example of what a typical Hungarian “french salad” would look like.](http://www.mindmegette.hu/images/216/O/francia-salata.jpg) It is usually served on its own as a salad in the way you might have a potato salad here in the US. That said, I’m pretty sure I have seen it also served as the topping of a small open-faced sandwich/canape. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/117 "2018-11-06T15:34:59Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > There is a town in New York, up the Hudson, called Red Hook. Not much of a town, but I have heard of it enough that when I saw my first bottle of Red Hook, I asked why they named it for a town in New York. Interesting. Never heard of it or the neighborhood in Brooklyn. When I first encountered “Red Hook,” I just remember it being similar to other beer names like “Red Dog” or “Red Stripe,” so it just seemed another name on a theme. ---
**Author:** ![jnglmassiv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f07891/32.png) [@jnglmassiv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jnglmassiv)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/118 "2018-11-06T15:58:08Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Mexicans got the colors right in _salsa bandera_ ‘flag sauce’, made of green jalapeño & cilantro, white onion, red tomato. That’s better known as _pico de gallo_ which sort of fits the thread. This condiment is completely free of beaks. Some argue that pico de gallo isn’t a salsa at all but I’ll stay out of that one. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/119 "2018-11-06T16:46:29Z")
There are some who claim that Thousand Island dressing was invented in Chicago, but others insist that it actually is from the Thousand Island region of New York. Bombay Sapphire brand gin was developed and is produced in England. In Arabic, oranges are known as “burtuqali”, i.e. “from Portugal”, maybe because they were brought by Portuguese ships. Oranges are from East Asia ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/120 "2018-11-06T16:52:17Z")
> [@zimaane](#): > > There are some who claim that Thousand Island dressing was invented in Chicago, Huh. Interesting. Being born and living in Chicago, this is not a claim I’ve ever heard. I also just assumed it was a New York thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000.md?page=7)