# Things which aren't from where their name suggests **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 5, 2018, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000 "2018-11-05T11:38:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/141 "2018-11-06T22:43:49Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Good one! I remember that as a kid in the 80s. The containers had a map of Denmark on the label, like you said, and certainly very much implied that it was Danish. I even seem to remember a big star marking Copenhagen on it. Ah, [Google to the rescue](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8a/84/8b/8a848be5c041d8fc7923055650720ea4.jpg)! That’s what I remember. > > ETA: Looking at it again, that has to be the worst crop of a map I’ve ever seen. I’ve been staring at it for the last minute or two, and I still am having difficulty fitting it into my mental map of the world, and I know damned well where Copenhagen is! I just feel like slightly more context would be helpful. Well, the pseudo-Danish origin is contrasted with the Teaneck, New Jersey address on that lid. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/142 "2018-11-06T22:46:20Z")
I did a search of the thread and couldn’t find where anyone had posted English muffins, which are neither. ---
**Author:** ![Balthisar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/balthisar/32/2825_2.png) [@Balthisar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balthisar)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/143 "2018-11-07T00:27:46Z")
> [@Sparky812](#): > > Correct. > The point is that “Canadian Bacon” is an American term for a type of ham. Canadians don’t call it that, it’s not of Canadian origin, and those of us that do use the term are referring to something else which is also not of Canadian origin. But that was _my_ point. Canadian bacon (to us Americans) is _not_ a type of ham. Ham doesn’t come from the back. It comes from leg. You can say that it’s something similar to ham, and maybe a lot of ignorant folks think that it’s a synonym for ham, but Canadian bacon unequivocally is not ham. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/144 "2018-11-07T01:08:10Z")
I saw a T-Shirt that said “_It’s not NEW and it’s not MEXICO_”. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/145 "2018-11-07T01:22:03Z")
Kind of the opposite of what the OP is looking for, but I still find it interesting: Nachos were invented by a dude named Ignacio “Nacho” Anaya in 1943. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/146 "2018-11-07T01:57:28Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Oh boy, this is where things get somewhat confusing. They’re slightly different candy bars in US vs global markets. A UK/Euro Milky Way is like a US Three Musketeers (but smaller), and a US Milky Way is like a UK Mars bar. That is, US Milky Way has a layer of caramel on it; non-US Milky way is just nougat and chocolate. Meanwhile, US Mars bars are chocolate, nougat, and almonds, like a Snickers (formerly Marathon in the UK, but looking it up, it looks like that name has been gone since the early 90s) bar without the caramel layer. Non-US Mars are caramel, nougat, and milk chocolate. > > So -\> > > US: > > 3 Musketeers: Nougat, milk chocolate > Milky Way: Caramel, nougat, milk chocolate > Mars: Nougat, milk chocolate, almonds > Snickers: Caramel, nougat, milk chocolate, almonds > > UK (and elsewhere): > Milky Way: Nougat, milk chocolate > Mars: Caramel, nougat, milk chocolate > Snickers (and Marathon once upon a time): Caramel, nougat, milk chocolate, almonds > > I think I’ve got that right, but somebody please double check for me. It’s easily confused. > [@Saltire](#): > > In the US, Mars bars have whole almonds. Haven’t seen one in a long time, but then again I’m not allowed candy anymore, so I don’t shop for it much. > > Snickers has peanuts, though. > [@pulykamell](#): > > Ah, shit!!! Of course I knew that! :smack: That’s why I asked y’all to check my work. 😃 I knew I would screw something up looking at the words caramel, nougat, milk chocolate, and almonds so finely. Wait. While it’s true that the original Snickers has peanuts, there are Snickers with almonds. [Snickers Almond Candy Bar 1.76 oz. - All City Candy](https://allcitycandy.com/products/snickers-almond-4) ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/147 "2018-11-07T03:00:08Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Well, the pseudo-Danish origin is contrasted with the Teaneck, New Jersey address on that lid. Well, that wouldn’t even have registered to me, as a lot of the imported stuff I have does come through some importer out in the Northeast. I don’t know the exact language that would be used–it does usually say something like “imported by” on it, but looking through my fridge, there are a few products that are imported that simply state “XXX Distribution, LLC, Schiller Park, Illinois” and similar. So that “Teaneck, NJ” address would have meant nothing to me in terms of origin of product. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/148 "2018-11-07T03:03:42Z")
Well, opposite the Teaneck, New Jersey address is another statement, “MFG IN U.S.A. AT PLANT NO. [whatever]”. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/149 "2018-11-07T03:49:39Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Well, opposite the Teaneck, New Jersey address is another statement, “MFG IN U.S.A. AT PLANT NO. [whatever]”. How closely do you think we read the lid of a goddamned ice cream? 🙂 I was a kid when those lids were around, so I wouldn’t remember that detail, but until your post now, I didn’t notice it, either. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/150 "2018-11-07T12:26:46Z")
> [@Balthisar](#): > > But that was _my_ point. Canadian bacon (to us Americans) is _not_ a type of ham. Ham doesn’t come from the back. It comes from leg. You can say that it’s something similar to ham, and maybe a lot of ignorant folks think that it’s a synonym for ham, but Canadian bacon unequivocally is not ham. Sorry, you’re right there. I assumed that because of its look, shape, and taste it was a cut of ham. In my defense, we don’t order or buy it here. [ > [@](#): > > Canadian bacon is more like ham than the streaky cured and smoked strips of bacon that most of us are used to. American bacon comes from the fatty belly of the pig while Canadian bacon is typically cut from the loin. > > As such, it’s much leaner than belly bacon and comes in rounded slices rather than strips. ]([https://www.thekitchn.com/whats-the-difference-between-canadian-bacon-or-irish-or-english-and-american-bacon-ingredient-intelligence-166956](https://www.thekitchn.com/whats-the-difference-between-canadian-bacon-or-irish-or-english-and-american-bacon-ingredient-intelligence-166956)) ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/151 "2018-11-07T20:44:00Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > Dutch chocolate/cocoa is a process to make cocoa mix that isn’t dutch How so? It was invented by Coenraad Johannes van Houten, an Amsterdam chocolate maker. > [@furryman](#): > > Dijon mustard wasn’t invented in Dijon, France. Dijon the plant isn’t grown in Dijon, France. What? Everything I’ve read says that Dijon mustard is mustard in the style originated in/around Dijon in France. Not even sure what a Dijon plant is, but I do know it’s not an ingredient in the mustard. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/152 "2018-11-07T21:07:19Z")
> [@furryman](#): > > Dijon mustard wasn’t invented in Dijon, France. Dijon the plant isn’t grown in Dijon, France. > [@bump](#): > > What? Everything I’ve read says that Dijon mustard is mustard in the style originated in/around Dijon in France. > > Not even sure what a Dijon plant is, but I do know it’s not an ingredient in the mustard. There isn’t a “dijon” plant. From wiki… > [@](#): > > Dijon is famous for Dijon mustard which originated in 1856, when Jean Naigeon of Dijon substituted verjuice, the acidic “green” juice of not-quite-ripe grapes, for vinegar in the traditional mustard recipe. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/153 "2018-11-07T21:14:46Z")
FWIW, Chef Lucien Olivier of salad fame is buried \*\*here \*\*in Moscow: > **[Vvedenskoye Cemetery](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vvedenskoye_Cemetery)** > > Vvedenskoye Cemetery (Russian: Введенское кладбище, IPA: \[vʲːɪˈdʲenskəjə\]) is a historic cemetery in the Lefortovo District of Moscow in Russia. > Until 1918 it was mainly a burial ground for the Catholic and Protestant communities of the city, principally ethnic Germans, and thus it was also called the German Cemetery (Russian: Немецкое кладбище). After 1918 the cemetery was secularized and accepted the dead of all confessions, including the Orthodox clergy. Throughout its history it has also be... I was there in June 2015. It really is a beautiful place. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/154 "2018-11-08T05:02:53Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > Wait. While it’s true that the original Snickers has peanuts, there are Snickers with almonds. [Snickers Almond Candy Bar 1.76 oz. - All City Candy](https://allcitycandy.com/products/snickers-almond-4) _Snickers_ (US) has always contained peanuts. I haven’t seen a US _Mars_ Bar in years, but unless I’m mistaken it was simply renamed _Snickers With Almonds_. Close enough for me, anyway- the Mars Bar was always one of my favorites. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/155 "2018-11-08T05:30:12Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > FWIW, Chef Lucien Olivier of salad fame is buried \*\*here \*\*in Moscow: > > [Vvedenskoye Cemetery - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vvedenskoye_Cemetery) > > I was there in June 2015. It really is a beautiful place. 🙂 Is he the guy who invented Russian dressing somewhere in New England? ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/156 "2018-11-08T06:08:47Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Is he the guy who invented Russian dressing somewhere in New England? No, _Salad Olivier_ in Moscow. See Post No. 122. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/157 "2018-11-08T15:35:23Z")
How about some bands? Asia - not from Asia, formed in London Nazareth - from Scotland not Jesus’ birthplace Berlin - L.A. not Germany Japan - from London, England Chilliwack - from Vancouver ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/158 "2018-11-08T17:22:06Z")
Chilliwack is only an hour or two by road from Vancouver. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/159 "2018-11-08T17:43:27Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Chilliwack is only an hour or two by road from Vancouver. Actually, it’s just over an hour. By all band members accounts (none of whom are from Chilliwack, btw) they picked the name because they were experimenting with more tribal and drum sounds at the time and liked its Salish meaning “valley of many streams” which they felt reflected their musical direction at the time, and not the town which shares the name. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000/160 "2018-11-08T17:50:37Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > FWIW, Chef Lucien Olivier of salad fame is buried \*\*here \*\*in Moscow: > > [Vvedenskoye Cemetery - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vvedenskoye_Cemetery) > > I was there in June 2015. It really is a beautiful place. 🙂 What’s beautiful? All of Moscow, or just that cemetary? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-which-arent-from-where-their-name-suggests/824000.md?page=9)