# Things you are sure will happen in Harry Potter #6. (Open Spoilers!) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2005, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931 "2005-03-30T12:52:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/81 "2005-04-03T16:03:32Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > And I never want anyone but Alan Rickman playing Snape–he is SOOO good! Alan Rickman is too good – he’s stolen the show and made people fall in love with a character who’s not supposed to be sympathetic. Rowling spends a good proportion of her media time trying to convince people to be less sympathetic to Snape and Draco. What I’m worried about now is Ralph Fiennes’ Voldemort in the 4th movie. I really hope they slather him with buckets of makeup, because an attractive, well-acted Voldemort is going to mean he has fans. I predict Voldemort fan clubs, I predict bizarre interpretations of the novel in which Voldemort is the hero and Harry is the villain. I predict the Internet being flooded with Voldemort slash :eek: Anyway, back to the books. To further develop my prediction – if Harry is a metamorphmagus, he’ll probably need Tonks as a mentor. That’s probably the sort of thing you need to learn how to control. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/82 "2005-04-03T16:04:54Z")
I don’t see Lupin dying at all. We already had that plot line in OotP, and I think Rowling probably gave Harry’s father _two_ close childhood friends because she intended for them to have _different_ story arcs. Besides, since he represents the sort of people who are excluded and marginalized in the present-day wizarding world, he really _needs_ to be around when they start building a better world after the war. (And I do think the ending has to incorporate Massive Social Change on a grand scale – Rowling has made it pretty clear that the Death Eaters are a product of social ills that were already present in the wizarding world, and if these problems aren’t fixed, there’s just going to be another Dark Lord in the next generation.) I’m curious to see what she makes of Sirius’ death in the next two books – she’s hinted in interviews that she had a Reason that won’t become apparent until later in the series. My guess is that he’s either going to be the guide for Harry’s archetypical journey to the Underworld; or, more interestingly, since he’s a blood relative of Ron and Ginny’s and arguably died to protect them as well as Harry, Dumbledore will perform the charm that gives _them_ the same sort of blood-protection that Harry gets from Lily. (This is the only way I can see Ron surviving the series, by the way.) ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/83 "2005-04-03T16:16:12Z")
We’ve already been explicityl told that either Ron or Harry will die via Trelawney. ---
**Author:** ![flamingbananas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f4b2a3/32.png) [@flamingbananas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flamingbananas)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/84 "2005-04-03T16:27:53Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > We’ve already been explicityl told that either Ron or Harry will die via Trelawney. What!? ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/85 "2005-04-03T16:32:10Z")
> [@flamingbananas](#): > > What!? I think **Quartz** is refering to a the 13-at-a-table thing. Of course, we’re never sure if we’re supposed to take Trewlaney seriously. Of course, Rowling does use it, uh, seriously with Sirius. He’s at a table of thirteen at one point in _Order of the Phoenix_, and is the first to rise. ---
**Author:** ![flamingbananas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f4b2a3/32.png) [@flamingbananas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flamingbananas)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/86 "2005-04-03T16:42:38Z")
> [@e-logic](#): > > Not sure if this has been discussed already, but JK Rowling says there are **two key questions** which will indicate what will happen in Books Six & Seven, but which she is never asked: > > Both are about Voldemort… > > 1. Why did Voldemort survive the rebounding curse in the second book? > > **2) Why didn’t Dumbledore kill Voldemort when he had the opportunity in Book Five?** > > Any thoughts…? Bolding mine. The prophecy said that eventually one will have to kill the other. Dumbly wasn’t included in that, so I don’t think he can kill Voldy. > [@](#): > > I think Quartz is refering to a the 13-at-a-table thing. Of course, we’re never sure if we’re supposed to take Trewlaney seriously. Ah yes. Trewlaney is a strange character, and I think she’s played very well in the movie. ---
**Author:** ![N.Sane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f19dbf/32.png) [@N.Sane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N.Sane)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/87 "2005-04-03T17:18:15Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > We’ve already been explicityl told that either Ron or Harry will die via Trelawney. True. One of the clues books I was reading posited that Trelawney does see accurately, but doesn’t interpret accurately. For instance, there was a large black dog dogging Harry in PoA; it just wasn’t the Grim. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/88 "2005-04-03T17:26:25Z")
> [@Hamish](#): > > I predict bizarre interpretations of the novel in which Voldemort is the hero and Harry is the villain. You mean like [this one](http://www.exposingsatanism.org/harrypotter2.htm)? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/89 "2005-04-03T18:51:42Z")
> [@Fretful Porpentine](#): > > I’m curious to see what she makes of Sirius’ death in the next two books – she’s hinted in interviews that she had a Reason that won’t become apparent until later in the series. I don’t think Harry will live past the end of Book 7. Somehow, defeating Voldy will require Gallant Personal Sacrifice on Harry’s part. But it will be OK because Lily, James & Sirius are waiting for him on the other side of the veil. Harry also can’t find True Love, since that would leave a main character in mourning at the end of the story. As for Book 6, Harry finally learns all about himself, his past, his powers, etc., under the personal tutelage of Dumbledore. Why else that cover? All of the reasons Dumbledore had for withholding information from Harry are now gone; it’s time for him to prepare Harry with all the tools he’ll need for the big confrontation in Book7. I don’t see the need for Dumbledore to die at all, but if he does it can’t be until the last book. The pensieve will allow Harry to retrieve his subconscious memories of his first year of life. That’s how we’ll get the back story on his parents. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/90 "2005-04-03T18:55:08Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > You mean like [this one](http://www.exposingsatanism.org/harrypotter2.htm)? :eek: > [@website](#): > > …sexual congress with goats… Just what is in the adult versions of the books, anyway? 😉 Oh, and I love the part where she compares Lucius Malfoy to Gabriel. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/91 "2005-04-03T20:28:01Z")
**winterhawk** that link is just frightful! Sexual Congress with goats…indeed. It’s sheep. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Serpentine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@Silver\_Serpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Serpentine)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/92 "2005-04-03T20:32:59Z")
My friend has a theory that the HBP doesn’t refer to a half-blood mage, but rather to . . . . Hagrid! That the trolls will become a major part of the next book and Hagrid is their prince who helps with wizard/troll relations. I haven’t read the book carefully enough to really have anything to say about that, but I thought I’d mention it because it’s interesting. Something about Sirius’s death just really didn’t sit right with me. It was so quick, the lack of a body, nobody knows what happens in there, etc. Why did he go out like that instead of being taken down by a spell? And why do that to Harry? As soon as he gets a parental figure for the first time, kill him off? So everything just keeps getting worse and worse for him? Now he’s probably going to have guilt over it. I can ramble on about why it just doesn’t sit right. Of course, I don’t really have any theories about where that whole plot’s going to go. I don’t have nearly the knowledge that folks here have, hehe. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/93 "2005-04-03T21:25:48Z")
This is my favourite part from Winterhawk’s website: > [@](#): > > In a particularly distasteful and lewd display, Potter tries to tempt the rightfully furious Angel by raising his pant leg and showing him his nude ankle. In this way the Harry Potter books contribute to the hidden gay agenda. When this temptation is refused, he has a malignant house spirit who embodies all the evils of stem-cell research curse the angel down. I also noticed that Ginny (“under the malevolent and seductive influence of the anti-Christ figure, Harry Potter”) is matched to Harry, which means she’s a Ginny/Harry shipper! Isn’t that sweet! Seriously, though, I’ve heard crazier theories on Mugglenet 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/94 "2005-04-03T21:27:17Z")
:smack: One thing I will say for Mugglenet is that if you accidentally post under a roommate’s name, you can erase it and put it under your own. That last one by **matt\_mcl** is, in fact, my own. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/95 "2005-04-03T22:51:04Z")
> [@Silver Serpentine](#): > > My friend has a theory that the HBP doesn’t refer to a half-blood mage, but rather to . . . . Hagrid! That the trolls will become a major part of the next book and Hagrid is their prince who helps with wizard/troll relations. You know, I could really imagin this in dialog. Wasn’t his mom a troll? “urrrr, yeah boys, me mum did have some title, now that I think of it. Her da slayed more other members of other tribes than any other in the area. She was called daugher of he-who-we-are-led-by. I suppose that would make her a princess.” No, wait, I think he’s a quarter giant, not troll. Whoops. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2005, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/96 "2005-04-04T01:53:14Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > You know, I could really imagin this in dialog. Wasn’t his mom a troll? > “urrrr, yeah boys, me mum did have some title, now that I think of it. Her da slayed more other members of other tribes than any other in the area. She was called daugher of he-who-we-are-led-by. I suppose that would make her a princess.” > > No, wait, I think he’s a quarter giant, not troll. Whoops. Hagrid’s a half-giant. His father was human and his mother was a full-blooded giant. (I’ve got to wonder how that relationship came about. Maybe Hagrid’s mom had a midget fetish 😉 ) A giant chieftain is apparently just the toughest guy in the tribe, so I really can’t imagine them having any sort of royalty. And Hagrid doesn’t have any social standing among the giants; they barely tolerated him and Madame Maxime. The Half-Blood Prince is probably the lion-like guy described in that quote that Rowling gave us. I’m guessing that he’ll be a new character, and he’ll probably be the new DADA teacher. ---
**Author:** ![MackoUr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MackoUr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MackoUr)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2005, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/97 "2005-04-04T05:32:39Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > The Half-Blood Prince is probably the lion-like guy described in that quote that Rowling gave us. I’m guessing that he’ll be a new character, and he’ll probably be the new DADA teacher. Or the lion-like guy is Hagrid after Madame Maxime gives him a makeover? A stretch, I know but I had hoped he’d be the Half-Blood Prince; I’ve a feeling the giants and, by extension, Hagrid, will play a big part in defeating Voldemort. I don’t think this is a spoiler for book six, but to be safe: [spoiler] In his confrontation with Voldemort, doesn’t Dumbledore say there are worse things than dying? That seemed significant to me, indicating that the punishment for the Death-Eaters and possibly the big V is for them to be stripped of their powers by the end of book 7; that being the one thing I would think was worth than death for them. [/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Reepicheep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@Reepicheep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reepicheep)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2005, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/98 "2005-04-04T08:38:01Z")
I still think Snape will end up being the half-blood prince. The public revelation that he has half-blood, even if it royal, will be a crushing blow. He still will be the Head of Slytherin House, but will have less respect from the students. The fact has been know to both Dumbledore and Snape but not reveled publicly. This is one of the reasons that Dumbledore trusts Snape so much. We will learn more about Lilly and James, and find out that both of them were not always nice people. This has something to do with Lilly’s wand being good with charms. She charmed Snape and something when wrong that publicly humiliated Snape. In the end, they both redeemed themselves by saving Snape (or something close to that) at great personal risk. Since he had to be saved that is why Snape hates them so. One the shipper front I see long term Ron and Hermione, however they will date and break up like many highschoolers. Harry and Ginny, also long term, bring Harry into the family he loves. However, Harry will still be experimenting in the male/female department (sorry I don’t think J.K. is going to do anything more than the werewolf/homosexual connection, so Harry will only go for girls). So, he might even get a girlfriend from Slytherin, which would be nice to show that some Slytherin are really OK people with ambition. ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2005, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/99 "2005-04-04T13:28:19Z")
> [@MackoUr](#): > > [spoiler] In his confrontation with Voldemort, doesn’t Dumbledore say there are worse things than dying? > > That seemed significant to me, indicating that the punishment for the Death-Eaters and possibly the big V is for them to be stripped of their powers by the end of book 7; that being the one thing I would think was worth than death for them. [/spoiler] Heh. My own theory for Voldemort’s end is poetic justic – a Dementor’s kiss right after he achieves bodily invulnerability and immortality. He’ll never die – but he’ll be in eternal torment without death for a release. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2005, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931/100 "2005-04-04T13:33:54Z")
> [@Hamish](#): > > Heh. My own theory for Voldemort’s end is poetic justic – a Dementor’s kiss right after he achieves bodily invulnerability and immortality. He’ll never die – but he’ll be in eternal torment without death for a release. The thing is, I really _like_ that idea, but Harry would be kind of screwed if he can’t kill Voldemort, wouldn’t he? (Unless we’re going to find out that the prophesy is all a load of hooey, but it sounds like JKR is setting it up to be taken seriously.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-are-sure-will-happen-in-harry-potter-6-open-spoilers/296931.md?page=6)