# Things you wanted to see in Star Wars or Star Trek **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 12, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672 "2011-11-12T05:01:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Arkcon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Arkcon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arkcon)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/21 "2011-11-12T15:15:25Z")
> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > I wanted to see the bathrooms. > > On Star Trek, everything ultra-chrome, ultra-shiny, ultra-wow. We do see something like that. When they meet that superwarrior – Roga Dyanar, and lock him in the security cell, he pushes a button, a drawer of water slides out, and he doesn’t miss a beat, he washes his face with water from the drawer, while being snarky with Deanna. That’s the Trek bathroom – no piping of water from place to place, I guess they just replicate tiny amounts, as needed. And de-replicate waste and dirt. They don’t see this as excessively high tech and wasted effort, this is just how people have lived for at least a century. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/22 "2011-11-12T15:34:04Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > _“Doctor McCoy, you humans are brutal, savage, uncivilized…” > “Well, ah’m convinced; tell me some more about solvin’ problems by fightin’ to the death in gladiator pits, Mister Spock.”_ Outstanding, Sir! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/23 "2011-11-12T15:38:22Z")
Personally, I could have done with more Dr. Crusher with less clothing. But that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/24 "2011-11-12T16:33:31Z")
I had an idea for a post-DS9 series—actually, it’d probably work best as a miniseries, or maybe part of an anthology or something; anyway…—taking place on occupied Cardassia, post-Dominion War. We start off in the pilot with the opening titles, show title superimposed over a starfield…and as the orchestra fades out, the camera pans down to reveal a [ruined cityscape](http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Cardassia_in_ruins.jpg) at night, with a hovercar full of patrolling UFP troops skimming past some miserable looking Cardassian refugees. The story would be about the issues and travails of the occupation force; preventing food riots at aid depots; ensuring security; trying to rebuild a shattered world, drained and battered by war, and a genocidal orbital bombardment in the conflict’s final hours; and most importantly, dealing with the Cardassian _people_—“liberated,” “conquered,” but most of all pitiably desperate, and trying to rebuild a world with them. And more drama comes from the Federation Alliance, itself not exactly politically unified, and the disparate groups making up the force planetside clashing and meshing. Federation peacekeepers taking to wearing [Klingon-style body armor](http://www.megomuseum.com/startrek/accessory/12klingon/armor.jpg) (sturdier than a gold shirt—especially against getting shanked in a scuffle); Klingons needing to use weapons that _have_ a “stun” setting; maybe see some neglected (perhaps, in-story, societally…) Federation member species like the [Arcturians](http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Arcturian) again, and all the while the brass and the guys in nice offices back on the homeworlds are playing the situation to their own ends, while the guys on the ground on both sides are just trying to keep things together. I came up with the notion a little while after the DS9 finale, so that’d be…1999-2000-ish. :eek: Now, admittedly, the inspirations I had in mind were more post-war Germany and Japan (with some 1993 Somalia) than any prescience, and that’s really more the direction I’d imagined the story going in. Though if they made anything like this today, they’d probably just “[del]Iraq[/del] Cardassia” in a script, and produce it as is, even if it didn’t make any sense for the setting. Maybe with some really terrible technobabble plastered on to handwave it, _if_ you’re lucky. ☹ (I’d add some more snarks concerning science fiction in general, but I’m veeerry tired. i sleep now.) ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/25 "2011-11-12T16:59:00Z")
> [@Foggy](#): > > Star Trek: A regular recurring gay character. And every time he’s alone in the elevator thingie with Riker, Riker gets uncomfortable, 'cause you _know_ there’s more than one reason he and Deanna broke up. Roddy ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/26 "2011-11-12T17:31:17Z")
> [@Gagundathar](#): > > Personally, I could have done with more Dr. Crusher with less clothing. > But that’s just me. Wasn’t McFadden topless in an episode of Dream On? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/27 "2011-11-12T18:05:32Z")
> [@Foggy](#): > > Star Trek: A regular recurring gay character. What do you think “Q” stands for? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/28 "2011-11-12T18:28:46Z")
Star Trek: circuit breakers, and seat belts. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/29 "2011-11-12T18:37:09Z")
Less Klingons. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/30 "2011-11-12T19:07:28Z")
More Tellarites. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/31 "2011-11-12T19:12:12Z")
> [@Ephemera](#): > > Less Klingons. > [@Dr.Rieux](#): > > More Tellarites. More Klingon-On-Tellerite pron? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/32 "2011-11-12T19:18:19Z")
> [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > I wanted to see the rest of Jadzia’s spots. Ezri’s spots. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/33 "2011-11-12T19:30:35Z")
More Darth Maul! He was the coolest new character in the prequels, by far. And he has, what, about three minutes of screentime? I was really disappointed when Kenobi killed him. I guess Lucas didn’t want to take away any time from Jar Jar. Maul–we hardly knew ye! ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/34 "2011-11-12T22:56:45Z")
More about the Breen and Gorn. I liked them both, but I guess the attraction of the Breen was the mystery. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/35 "2011-11-12T23:20:01Z")
I’d like to have seen Kirk hunted as a criminal to the ends of the universe for having, in a spate of spite, destroyed the Spock-making-happy spore plants on that farm planet. What an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_s\_Son](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19adc/32.png) [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/36 "2011-11-12T23:23:21Z")
Wesley Crusher spaced A lot less references to “back in the 20th century people were threatening to kill themselves with the atom bomb”, etc ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/37 "2011-11-12T23:47:09Z")
A halfway decent Star Wars prequel trilogy. Wookies instead of Ewoks. The Emperor having some sort of plan for Luke that made sense. (Seriously, why replace Vader? Vader was completely loyal and kicking ass.) ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/38 "2011-11-13T00:07:17Z")
> [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > I wanted to see the rest of Jadzia’s spots. We have a winnah! ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/39 "2011-11-13T01:35:51Z")
Jar-Jar’s painful death. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672/40 "2011-11-13T01:46:29Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > The Emperor having some sort of plan for Luke that made sense. (Seriously, why replace Vader? Vader was completely loyal and kicking ass.) Because a really, _really_ good Sith Apprentice will soon become a Sith Master. And, given the [Rule Of Two](http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rule_of_two)…well, Palpatine is better off sans Vader, let us say. . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-you-wanted-to-see-in-star-wars-or-star-trek/602672.md?page=3)