# Things you've rewatched after years and have held up, things that have not **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, movies\ **Created:** [May 2, 2024, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064 "2024-05-02T12:29:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/341 "2024-07-03T18:49:13Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > I may be misremembering (happens a lot these days), but ISTM that MASH also got rather political towards the end. And when I say political, I mean anti-war. Is that correct, or am I way off base?. Always anti-war. I don’t think it changes much in terms of politics from season 4-11. The first three seasons are zanier. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/342 "2024-07-03T18:53:12Z")
> [@echoreply](#): > > I really don’t want to go back and watch it, and rather just enjoy a pleasant memory of some guy with a seaplane. I’m sure in one rewatch I’ll notice something annoying like all of the flying scenes being the same bit of footage, like the original _Battlestar Galactica_. If you liked it, there’s [one of the seasons of _Archer_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_season_9) when Archer was in a coma, that basically rips off the whole premise. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/343 "2024-07-03T18:58:17Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I don’t think it changes much in terms of politics from season 4-11. OK, thanks. I thought it got a bit more so in the latter seasons, but I was mistaken, again. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/344 "2024-07-03T19:02:21Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > OK, thanks. I thought it got a bit more so in the latter seasons, but I was mistaken, again. If anything, it just gets more repetitive and people began to get the message, “Yeah, war is terrible, young kids die, very unfair!” Over and over. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/345 "2024-07-03T19:03:59Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > If anything, it just gets more repetitive That may have been what stuck in my head. As you say, over and over. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/346 "2024-07-03T19:19:59Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Charles is better than Burns because he is a human and of course, learns to hate the war as much as anyone due to the brutality and waste of young life He also sometimes wins. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/347 "2024-07-04T00:47:45Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > The chemistry between Harrison Ford and Sean Connery. “We named _the dog_ Indiana!” “I was very fond of that dog…” ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/348 "2024-07-04T01:42:59Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > MASH got too serious in the last seasons. MASH got too Alan Alda. Too Alan Alda politics, too AA moralising, too AA thinking the whole show was about him. Too, too Alan Alda and not enough of the other characters. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/349 "2024-07-04T02:02:29Z")
> [@digs](#): > > > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > > > The chemistry between Harrison Ford and Sean Connery. > > “We named _the dog_ Indiana!” > “I was very fond of that dog…” I really liked that third movie, partly for the chemistry between Ford and Connery. It’s actually kind of sad how weak the second movie was by comparison. ---
**Author:** ![pirviii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pirviii/32/3233_2.png) [@pirviii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pirviii)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/350 "2024-07-04T04:31:14Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > It’s actually kind of sad how weak the second movie was by comparison. Maybe it’s an even movie thing. The first and third were good, the second and fourth were bad. How was the fifth? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/351 "2024-07-04T04:42:57Z")
> [@robby](#): > > Right, Indy’s father was consistently portrayed in the movie as a self-absorbed, narcissistic asshole. Which is not to say he was malevolent, just lost in his books and research to the exclusion of everyone and everything else in his life. That casts the rest of the movie in a different light. Not that Indy should have let his dad die or anything, but it’s a little odd to be cheering for an unrepentant, self-absorbed, narcissistic asshole to have a happy ending. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/352 "2024-07-04T15:57:39Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > > [@robby](#): > > > > Right, Indy’s father was consistently portrayed in the movie as a self-absorbed, narcissistic asshole. Which is not to say he was malevolent, just lost in his books and research to the exclusion of everyone and everything else in his life. > > That casts the rest of the movie in a different light. Not that Indy should have let his dad die or anything, but it’s a little odd to be cheering for an unrepentant, self-absorbed, narcissistic asshole to have a happy ending. He’s not self-absorbed. He’s not narcissistic. He’s obsessed. Also not a good quality for a parent but not the same. He is not fixated inward he’s obsessed with his goal, the Grail. Just like Indy is when he’s on the hunt. The difference is Henry took his entire lifetime to find his goal. Indy is able to do it in about two hours. While trying to find his goal Henry was a bad parent. When Indy is trying to find his goal he kills a lot of people. Who is better? ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/353 "2024-07-04T16:14:43Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > While trying to find his goal Henry was a bad parent. When Indy is trying to find his goal he kills a lot of people. Who is better? They’re both pretty bad in their obsessive pursuits, but Indy’s actions are arguably worse. Besides all of the bodies he leaves in his wake, what about his heedless destruction of countless archaeological sites despite his protestations that the objects of his quests “belong in a museum”? It seems like the father raised the son to be just like him in a “Cat’s in the Cradle” fashion. Of course this is all overlooked due to the comic-book-style action-adventure tone of the movies that is reminiscent of the old movie serials. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/354 "2024-07-07T13:52:03Z")
Tried showing Braveheart to my son since I remember it as this sprawling epic with great battle scenes although entirely historically inaccurate. It was pretty bad. Lot’s of cheesy acting and bad accents with Mel leading the way. Everything so ham fisted and eye-rolling. I used to think this was top notch medieval cinema but now it’s not much better than Kevin Costner’s Robinhood. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/355 "2024-07-07T14:08:32Z")
IIRC, they kinda whiffed the Drawn & Quartered segment at the end; if you didn’t know how D&Q worked, you wouldn’t understand what was going on. And after all the other violence in the film, _that’s_ where they get squeamish? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/356 "2024-07-07T14:38:30Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Tried showing Braveheart to my son since I remember it as this sprawling epic with great battle scenes although entirely historically inaccurate. > It was pretty bad. Lot’s of cheesy acting and bad accents with Mel leading the way. Everything so ham fisted and eye-rolling. > I used to think this was top notch medieval cinema but now it’s not much better than Kevin Costner’s Robinhood. I think it still works on its own merits. It’s a totally inaccurate action movie but it’s fun. > [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](#): > > IIRC, they kinda whiffed the Drawn & Quartered segment at the end; if you didn’t know how D&Q worked, you wouldn’t understand what was going on. And after all the other violence in the film, _that’s_ where they get squeamish? You mean the tickling scene? Don’t ruin it for me. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/357 "2024-07-07T20:13:03Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > I used to think this was top notch medieval cinema but now it’s not much better than Kevin Costner’s Robinhood. Worse, since _Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves_ at least has Rickman chewing scenery like only he can- "_Cancel the kitchen scraps for lepers and orphans, no more merciful beheadings, and call off Christmas."_ Why a Spoon? "_Because it’s DULL, you twit. It’ll hurt more."_ ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2024, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/358 "2024-07-08T21:20:21Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > > [@Loach](#): > > > > Early in the thread there was a lot of mention of _MASH_ the TV show. The movie definitely doesn’t hold up. It suffers from a terminal case of Altmanism but worse than that all the characters are assholes. Ther really isn’t one character you can empathize with. > > You know, I think the M\*A\*S\*H movie was supposed to be anarchic and politically incorrect, and it still is, but in a different way. When it was new, the racism and sexism probably didn’t raise any eyebrows, but the language and disrespect of authority were probably somewhat scandalous. Now, the language in irreverence are no big deal, but the sexism and racism are unaccepable. In that sense, it holds up surprisingly well. I think the characters were meant to be assholes I remember my mother telling me that the big shock of the movie _MASH_, to audiences of the time, was the surgery - the spurting blood, the gaping injuries. She said it was uncommon then to see war movies that realistically depicted combat wounds. ---
**Author:** ![XOldiesJock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ec9cab/32.png) [@XOldiesJock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XOldiesJock)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2024, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/359 "2024-07-08T23:05:17Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > _I remember my mother telling me that the big shock of the movie MASH, to audiences of the time, was the surgery - the spurting blood, the gaping injuries. She said it was uncommon then to see war movies that realistically depicted combat wounds._ She was right. I saw that movie on first release and I remember it being quite shocking in that regard. I recall a friend I went with said “We’ll never see _that_ movie on television!” And he was referring to its graphic nature, not the overall content or even seeing Sally Kellerman fully naked. A somewhat later movie, “Catch 22,” had an extremely shocking scene that caused a loud, unanimous gasp in the audience in the theater I was in. Me included. I remember physically pushing back in my seat I was so shocked. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2024, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064/360 "2024-07-09T14:54:32Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > MASH got too Alan Alda. Too Alan Alda politics, too AA moralising, too AA thinking the whole show was about him. Too, too Alan Alda and not enough of the other characters. Agree 1000%. I grew to dislike Alda over time. He is an “actor” but his personality always seeps through. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/things-youve-rewatched-after-years-and-have-held-up-things-that-have-not/1001064.md?page=19)