He was funny-ish in that one.
But have you ever seen Ishtar?
You may have a point, but in the case of Tootsie, I don’t believe he was supposed to be funny. He’s a “serious actor”; serious to the point of neurosis.
Now that you mention it, I don’t think he’s played very many funny characters. Meet the Fockers was supposed to be light hearted but he was hardly a barrel of laughs.
The odd thing is, the cast of Friends certainly noticed. David Schwimmer, in particular, was pretty candid about the need for more diversity at least in the supporting and background characters. I guess to shut him up the producers finally wrote in a Black girlfriend for Ross (Aisha Taylor) for eight episodes in seasons 9-10.
For that matter, there was also a lack of Latinx and Asian American characters.
I remember that there was some discussion of that at the time. It wasn’t until a couple of years later that Michael Jackson became the first black artist in heavy rotation on MTV, with “Billie Jean.”
I remember thinking this was cheesy even then. But I was an adult, not a kid.
I used to be able to hear their guns firing on the Culver City backlot when I was a kid.
I always tell people that Tremors is a perfect genre movie.
MTV was totally Rock oriented for quite some time until MJ broke the barrier, but even after that there weren’t many Black artists seen on MTV for quite some time. Lionel Richie, George Benson, Billy Ocean and Whitney Houston were exceptions. I don’t know if it was a conscious decision or whether record companies hadn’t yet caught up to the video trend when it came to their Black artists.
The Bradbury Building. Very cool place.
My fav Coen Bros movie.
I thought I’d seen them all, but my sister was talking about an episode called The Ring-a-Ding Girl. I’d never even heard it, so she found it, and we watched it. Made me cry.
Gawd, that was so awful. So cheesy.
Of all the episodes I watched (The Ray Bradbury Theater), this is the only one I really liked and/or wasn’t bored by.
To me, it’s almost perfect. There is not one wasted line of dialog. Every word of that script propels the action forward. There are enough hidden things to make re-watching interesting. Besides being a great watch, it’s movie masterclass.
The way she was treated was just awful. Made me hate the movie at the time. And now.
Brain fever!!!
Yes! I love a movie that you keep finding things in that you never noticed before. Gosford Park is also like that for me, too.
Tremors is what happens when Lovecraftian monstrosities run into Arizona rednecks instead of effete New Englanders.
Very good.
We were binge watching Star Trek, ToS. Mostly, it has held up.
Now we have moved on to ST-TNG, and boy season 1 is full of stinkeroos.
S1 E4 · Code of Honor- Pretty damn racist. ""Jonathan Frakes referred to the episode as a “racist piece of shit” . At a 2007 science fiction convention in Toronto, Canada, he told the audience, “The worst and most embarrassing and one that even Gene would have been embarrassed by was that horrible racist episode from the first season… Code of Honor, oh my God in heaven!” " Reddit - Dive into anything
Then there is the horrible ferengi in E5, and E8, where Picard blatantly violated the Prime Directive, even after saying he wouldnt. by rescuing Wesley from a death sentence.
Okay Encounter at FarPoint almost looks good compared to those.
IIRC Adam and/or Jamie have stated that in some of the early seasons they had a producer who believed all TV shows must have conflict, so she edited the show in a way that emphasized the two of them not getting along. They’re definitely not friends, but it real life they don’t hate each other quite as much as the show made it appear, they say.
Yeah, not Buddies but not enemies. Sure Jamie is neat and meticulous, abd Adam is the opposite, but they couldnt have made the series last 14 seasons if they hated each other.
It was before Riker grew his beard.
Early in the thread there was a lot of mention of MASH the TV show. The movie definitely doesn’t hold up. It suffers from a terminal case of Altmanism but worse than that all the characters are assholes. Ther really isn’t one character you can empathize with.
All the early Pixar movies that I watched with my kids hold up.
Every show I loved as a kid is embarrassing now.
I watched a few and I found them fascinating. The thing that makes Emergency bad for modern audiences is that it’s too realistic. I watched them perform CPR on someone and it was exactly how it would go in the field. Too slow and not enough yelling to be dramatic but very realistic.
Blue Bloods and to a certain extent The Rookie will do this. They will have very real feeling moments like this and then the next scene will be wildly unrealistic.
Re: the Matrix stuff upthread. When I watched it, I instantly realized the issues with it (when Fry from Futurama sees the flaws, you know they are glaring). Instead of writing it off to either artistic license or as The Siblings seeing their audience as idiots, I took it as a deliberate clue that the destroyed Earth/Zion/Battery level was just another level in a multi-dimensional simulation, and when Neo was able to use his mojo on said level at the end of movie 2, I went “Aha! So that’s where that is all going!”, and looked eagerly towards the third movie to show the next higher level, perhaps showing up a myriad of them as Neo ascends the ladder in his quest to find Prime Reality…
Alas, no, we can’t have that.
The Siblings of course didn’t go that route, at all, and everything I’ve read seems to indicate that it wasn’t even a notion at any point in the conceptualization/scriptwriting phase. So sometimes the simplest (meta-) explanation turns out to be the correct one, that they indeed thought their viewers were idiots and would never get the nested reality thang at all, if said process as indicated even got that far to begin with. One of the biggest wasted potential plots in any movie or franchise.
I think I may have to start a thread “ST-TOS - now which episodes WEREN’T crap?” In another thread recently I posted my wife’s and my reactions - both of us pretty major Trekkies - after slogging through TOS. Some of you persuaded me TOS was amazing for the time. I’ll grant you that. But in our household, I’m not sure we would even be able to agree on 20 out of the 80 that were even watchable today.
I’ve long been disappointed at trying to watch so many of my fave sitcoms:
Barney Miller
Sanford and Sons
WKRP
The Odd Couple…
The list goes on and on. It seems I’ll watch one and think, “Hmm, that must’ve been a bum one.” Then you think, “Hmm - 2 clunkers in a row…”
Dick Van Dyke? Man, Rob was a jerk. And poor Sally - brilliant and beautiful, and it is all about she can’t get a man.
As a kid I woulda sworn Monty Python was hilarious. Someone gave me a boxed set, and I didn’t make it through the first season. Just so much dross between the few good bits.
The Honeymooners? Another one with long wastelands between the payoffs. And threatening violence against women does not age well.
I even find The Marx Brothers and Laurel and Hardy - my FAVES as a youth - unwatchable.
As far as films that I can still rewatch, I’ve got little to offer beyond The Blues Brothers and Caddyshack. And I still enjoy the first few seasons of Andy Griffith before Don Knotts left.
Geez, I binged both Barney and Wkrp and they are both still wonderful.
You know, I think the M*A*S*H movie was supposed to be anarchic and politically incorrect, and it still is, but in a different way. When it was new, the racism and sexism probably didn’t raise any eyebrows, but the language and disrespect of authority were probably somewhat scandalous. Now, the language in irreverence are no big deal, but the sexism and racism are unaccepable. In that sense, it holds up surprisingly well. I think the characters were meant to be assholes.