Think the Dems have the 2008 election locked up?

What do you mean “intrinsically”? What is “intrinsically” racist about terms like “half-breed” or “mulatto” or “kike” or “nigger” or “faggot”? Those terms derive their offensiveness from their historical usage, from the attitudes of the people who have used them and the ways in which they have been deployed.

As i suggested previously, in an earlier response to you with the face, i’m not sure that Halfrican Hamerican is intrinsically racist.

If it were being used, to adopt ywtf’s definition, as merely a “cutesy way of calling someone biracial,” then i wouldn’t have a problem with it.

But, as John Mace noted, context is everything. And, in this case, it is at least partly to do with the way it was used. And, i admit, partly because it was used in such a way by someone i don’t respect (i’m talking, in this instance, about Rush Limbaugh, although Shodan is rapidly approaching the same level on my respect-o-meter).

The way Limbaugh used it, the derisive attitude of his overall argument when he used it, and the tone in which he made the reference, all combine with my prior suspicion of his motives and politics to make me hostile to the term. It probably doesn’t help that i had never heard the term before, and that Limbaugh is the first association i have with it.

But, even if we leave all that out, i still don’t like Shodan’s use of the term, again partly because of the way it was used, the apparent intent behind it, which was (it seemed to me) to ridicule Obama for something completely unconnected with his abilities. There was no good faith or even merely descriptive motive behind the term, as far as i could tell; it was being used simply as an epithet.

I think that the question of Obama’s experience (or lack thereof) is an important one, and i get just as annoyed with people who praise him unconditionally as i do with people who slur him pointlessly. Of course Shodan, dribbling into his beard as usual, continues to insist that his use of the term was an important part of a broader and more serious argument about Obama’s qualifications, and about Hillary Clinton and the Democrats more generally.

But he could have made those points in exactly the same way without using the term. The use of the term adds precisely nothing to his argument, and makes a deliberate choice to describe Obama’s race in a way that he himself would not choose, and would probably actively oppose. He could have made a point about race being a key determinant in Obama’s popularity (something i wouldn’t disagree with) without the use of such a stupid and pointless term. Like it or not, the term Halfrican American is recognized and has political weight in the US right now largely because of the way that Limbaugh used it; that bell can’t be unrung, and if someone seriously uses the term to describe Obama in the current political climate, a lot of people will probably assume that the usage and the political motivation behind it are similar to Limbaugh’s.

FTR, is the second “h” in “Halfrican-Hamerican” intentional or was it originally a typo?

I wasn’t sure about that myself, actually, so i’ve just been quoting it with the second H.

Right, which is why i also challenged his definition of “qualifications” earlier.

For me, the assertion and the epithet are all of a piece in this thread—they are intended to ridicule and dismiss, and represent a profound inability or unwillingness to look at the issue in any more than a superficial way.

Which puppet of the warring plutocrats will win? Who knows. Well, there’s one thing I’m confident in: if Hillary or Obama somehow make it to the general election the Dems will lose. Obama will lose big and Hillary may make it close but she’ll lose. Maybe a very conservative woman could win but not Hillary (she’s perceived as a flaming liberal, somehow).

I’m quoting a guest who agrees with me? Scary.

Yes, I knew that from your comments earlier. Your phrasing was fine, and thank you for taking the time to make sure I understood. I’ve been gone for the last few hours or I’d have responded sooner. :slight_smile:

Then you’re just as ignorant as someone who wouldn’t vote for Obama because he’s not a Democrat.

Okay, I mistyped that. Make that not a Republican.

Bottom line, you sound like you’re voting a strict party ticket. That’s pretty stupid of you.

The qualifications as laid out by the US Constitution are simply starting points. You wouldn’t say that Lester B. Simpleton of Bumfuck, Utah is qualified simply on the basis of meeting the minimum requirements, would you?

There is a certain intangible something that voters look for. What that something is is what makes a candidate qualified. As far as Obama goes, I don’t know whether he’s qualified or not. In spite of my undying antipathy towards Hillary, I have to admit that she is very qualified.

Now, you may ask, why is Hillary more qualified than Obama? I don’t know. I can’t put my finger on it. And that is exactly what it is I’m talking about. It’s not as simple as meeting the minimums.

Yes. I voted for John Edwards in the 2004 Virginia Democratic presidential primary. And I have voted for quite a few Democrats at the local level.

Thanks for the answer. Follow-up question: would you have voted for John Edwards over George Bush had he been chosen as the Democratic candidate?

This sort of comment gets my goat. It is barely possible that I would vote for a Republican. If Giuliani were running against Lieberman, I’d have to think hard about it, but I probably wouldn’t vote for either.

I am a Democrat. I agree, in general, with the side of the issues that Democrats support, and it would be ludicrous of me to pretend that there are Republicans who agree with me on the issues.

Certainly I consider the issues. I support the Democratic side of the issues, and thus vote for Democrats, and presumably like Bridget Burke, I am proud of that.

Why, given that you are basically a conservative Republican, did you vote in the Democratic primary? Would you have voted for Edwards had he won the nomination?

I think Virginia has an open primary and Bush’s nomination was unopposed. If it were me in that case I would have done the same thing and voted for the candidate that I thought would be best in opposition. Of course, that just begs to be abused because the opposition crowd might be inclined to vote for a bottom feeder en masse in an attempt to undermine a strong candidate.

I imagine that would happen. I had no idea that anyone could vote in the primary in some states. Here registered republicans vote in the republican primary and same thing with democrats.

While I do not agree with your assessments of Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama, I do agree with the rest of your post. Amazing. I’m going to go to Hell and do some ice skating now.

Yes.

And hence the question–I have a very hard time picturing Mr. Moto as a John Edwards supporter.

In some states (Virginia is one of these) you just register to vote, without indicating any party ID at all.

Never underestimate the ability of a Democratic candidate to completely tank any chance of getting elected in as little as 24 hours. It’s ain’t over 'til the gavel drops.

There’s some evidence, not conclusive, that this happened in 1996 here in Washington State.

Ellen Craswell, a ludicrously far-right candidate, unexpectedly won the Republican primary over Dale Foreman, a longtime insider in the GOP machine and the presumed front-runner. There were eight contenders, so the field was deeply split, and Craswell got the nomination with just 15% of the primary vote, so it may have been one of those occasional flukes. Still, she was such a horrible candidate that political junkies on the left were licking their lips at the possibility of running against her. Surveying the landscape, a few mischevous types suggested that lefty activists could improve the odds in the general by crossing party lines in the primary (the Dem incumbent was not seriously opposed) and voting for Craswell in the governor category to boost the odds of her victory. Whether or not this effort made a difference, Craswell did emerge from the bruising primary on top, only to get crushed in the general by a humiliating margin.

Even if there’s more jabber than juice in this story, the perceived possibility of mischief and mayhem went a long way toward driving the parties to file suit in federal court and change our state’s system from “open” (non-partisan) to “closed” (partisan) (more info). No more crossing lines for one office only; if in the primary you want to vote for one of the Republicans in the governor’s race, you have to vote for one of the Republicans in all the races.

This totally fixed things, of course. Our 2004 governor’s race was a model of decorous organization. :rolleyes: