Thinking about adopting a dog

Long Time First Time:
Just putting it out there that there is more than one school of thought about this. The students where I work roll their eyes at the “dog’s don’t get bored” assertion too - but the behaviorist sticks to it.

In that case, not any of these dog-reading behaviorists can ever have owned a dog, or studied one for long. I’m a dog owner. I also grew up on a farm with many different animals. If they had said that about a cow, a hen or a bunny I could agree, but not dogs. There’s absolutely no way you can convince me that a dog is incapable of getting bored, when I’ve seen the opposite in real life so many times. And I do know a bit about how dogs signal.

… but I just can’t get my mind around this belief. Is a dog is really better off DEAD than being kept with a loving owner who happens to work?

Reading comprehension. I said “they’d rather”, not “they do”. Most dog shelters here, AFAIK, have a self-imposed policy that people living alone in an apartment in the city, who would have to leave the dog alone during the day, does not get a dog. Period. Yes, that means there are some beautiful loving people out there, who would have given a homeless dog a wonderful life, who have to get a dog elsewhere. But the reason for this policy is that those people return their dog more often (especially come vacation time), and additionally, these dogs more often show signs of being neglected.

Many folks crate their dogs when they are not home. It prevents their houses from being soiled and chewed up.

There are a few golden rules for dealing with dogs. One of them are: Don’t take away a dogs freedom to move around. This is why dogs hate it when you deal with their paws, as opposed to cows for instance. It’s why two dogs sniffing each other shouldn’t be leashed. A dog that makes a mess in a house when left alone is, as I said, either poorly trained in relation to how easily they get bored (which is breed-dependent), neglected or mistreated. The “vandalism” is just the visible end result when a dog isn’t feeling happy or secure (though it sometimes may be the fond memory of the dog “in bloom” next door). Unlike house cats, dogs are group animals, and they get restless when left out of their group or when their leader (you) leaves them.

Interestingly, the experiment I referred to above also concluded that dogs that were allowed to stay on the couch all of the time or some of the time when around humans, also stayed on the couch when left alone. But dogs who were always forbidden to stay on the couch by their owners, didn’t use the couch when they were left alone during the day. It’s about having simple rules and routines.

They stay happy with the dog, thus the dog gets to stay happy as well.

Wrong. A happy owner does not equalize a happy dog.

I know of show dogs that are kept in crates 23 hours out of 24 most of the time. They have the muscle tone of a baked apple and one could certainly make a case that they aren’t happy.

[sadness] makes me wonder why these people wont set up a dog yard and keep at least two dogs there.

{What’s really ironic is that these folks will sell their puppies to another show person who will also keep the dog crated most of its life without blinking an eye- but insist on the fenced in back yard, etc. etc. care when selling them as pets}

I agree. The ones who care the least about dogs are often those who breed them or train them for shows, though there are some good ones out there as well.

Dogs have become the most successful domestic animal on earth because their way of life pretty much coincides with human.

Absolutely. But dogs are still an entirely different species. Why do you think most dogs prefer a daily walk (or three), while humans are happy to go without?

Usually a dog wont approach you if s/he is feeling insecure, something which is not uncommon for dogs left to a shelter. Try to sit down, or at least get down on your knees, and give him some time to come over to you, even if it takes a few minutes. Then give him some time to sniff you around. It’s all about trust.

And you can trust me on that Husky thing, they are great dogs but they do require a ton of excercise. Why do you think they use Huskies in that famous 170 mile monster dog race in Alaska :wink:

To anyone considering a Jack Russell Terrier:

They can be very difficult dogs. Rewarding in the right situation, but difficult in a lot of situatons. I bred them for decades…

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I have a retired greyhound, and this one particular dog is a gentleman of the first order and a wonderful dog.

Individual dogs, of course, vary, and he is an indoor house plant…

How sad.

I think you will find this attitude is not prevalent in the United States.

There is no absolute, hard and fast formula, scr4, not by breed or by anything else. You aren’t auditioning to be the perfect, optimal owner and the dogs don’t require you to be. Don’t let some rosy ideal spook you away from the basics: you need and want a companion, and some good dogs want and need nothing more than a chance to be exactly that. They’re whole-hearted in their commitment, love and loyalty, so the crucial thing is for you be willing to give that back.

Period.

It isn’t like getting a car. Dogs are intensely social, responsive animals. They adopt humans as their pack, and can and do adapt themselves. Sure, take the temperment of an individual dog into consideration. X breed isn’t an absolute predictor of anything. Hector, a beagle/terrier mix, was the finest companion imaginable for my elderly grandmother. He could, and did, time his cutting-loose around her limitations. He was pure, rampant joy in motion when off leash, but was instantly protective and gentle around her. My mother’s dog, a pure bred Toy Manchester, was nearly Zen mellow. My black lab/Shepherd mix is pure love on four paws. I work weird, killer hours but she’s learned that her pack–I--will balance it out.

Let’s get real here. Damned few dog owners can promise to be johnny-on-the-spot every X hours to do 1-2-3 with their dogs. Sure, it’d be great but big reality check here: how many dogs EVER have that? A solid, loving human companion is a rare gift.

Don’t overthink this. As long as you’re willing to give back all that loyalty in equal measure, everything else will find its own level. It’ll take some time and cross-species communication, but that’s half the fun. Take input from your brain, then go with your gut. Don’t let details swamp substance. I’ve formed my own speculations about where your affections already live, but that has to be your choice.

Veb

Well said, Veb.

Disclaimer–IANADog expert, just someone who has had dogs for years, very sucessfully, mostly mutts until my husband full in love with a Golden Retriever; currently we have a three-dog pack. I do not work at any shelter, let alone at the one you are looking at, so I’m not trying to sell you a dog. :slight_smile:

Of course he’s going to need to love you and wiggle for a few minutes when you first get together; he’s trying to convey a lot of information to you. Dogs pick up so much from your attitude. Try being calm when you meet and not encourage the unwanted behavior by giving it attention; he’ll discover that jumping/licking/excessive wiggling is unwanted and thus unrewarded, but calm attentiveness is rewarded by lots of pets and praise. But also remember that if he’s young–say under 3 years–he’s still an adolescent who wants to convince you to play every time he sees you. He needs to know that play happens on your time schedule not his; play comes when you are ready and his behavior has been good. These are things you can work on after you’ve bonded. Anyway, if he was excited to see you, that’s a good sign. And if he calms down after a few minutes, that’s an even better sign; he’s probably not always hyper, just happy to have some individual attention.

And if you can come home at lunch and give him some love, things could definitely work out. Or take him to daycare once a week for socialization and come home the other days. Or maybe you have a neighbor who stays home part of the day and would love some dog company during that time. Or maybe there is a neighbor kid you trust to walk the dog in the afternoon and get him out of the apartment for a while. Lots of potential solutions to that problem.

Someone up thread suggested that if you choose to have two dogs to do it one at a time and I’d like to second this as well if you are thinking you might want two dogs. You can get one dog now and then, if it appears an additional dog would be a welcome addition for both you and Jax (I so want you to think about getting him!), you could add one then. You would need to bond well with your first dog (especially a rescue) to gauge whether a second would be a good idea. We ended up with our third dog for many reasons, including our second dog needing someone younger to play with than the oldster. Now we have a nice balance (we also have a fenced yard, with a fenced dog-dedicated area for them so can have three dogs).

I hope you continue to consider a dog even if you don’t get Jax. If you need more time to find a dog you could volunteer at the shelter to get some dog love in your life, have more experience with various dogs, learn more dog language, and generally be a positive influence in the dogs’ lives.

I took the plunge! :eek: :slight_smile:

But I’m afraid it’s not Jax. I saw him again and I just couldn’t imagine him being happy in my apartment - I’ve never even seen him sit still in his cage. The volunteer there didn’t think he’s right for me either.

But there was a new dog, Molly the Collie, who seemed just perfect. Actually she’s rather small for a Collie - probably a Collie/Sheltie mix. She’s about 1 yr old, brought to the shelter by the former owner. Sweet, sweet dog, friendly but very laid back and relaxed. The volunteer (who seemed very knowledgeable and familiar with all the dogs there) thought she’d be ideal for me as well.

I’m picking her up from the vet on Wednesday - I can’t wait!. Thanks for all the help!

Here she is:

Woohoo! Even if you didn’t get Jax, I’m glad you chose to go ahead and get a dog. Mollie is cute, and shelties and collies are very smart dogs. You’ll have some grooming to do but that’s fun bonding time, too.

I’m very happy for both of you. Let us know how you are doing together after you get her home.

Congrats, scr4! Molly looks like a very sweet pooch. I’m glad she’ll have a home with you. Good for you…and Molly!
Both of your lives just a turn for the better.

Veb

Good for you! I assume you already know this, but make certain to take her to the vet and get her checked out/shots. (I assume she’s already spayed.)

Check the recent dog training threads for recommendations on training books and methods. (The handle of the owner escapes me now, but just search for “polaris”.) I’d get signed up for a training class as well; not only is it good training for the dog but also for the owner, and also a good opportunity for socialization. Oh, and for the dog, too. :smiley: She may be pretty laid back, but a collie does still need regular exercize. Since you want a running companion, as I recall, that’ll be good, but she also needs some challenges; fetch or catching a frisbee or something. Also, a Kong ball is a good puzzle for her while you’re away during the day.

Oh, and if you end up getting her a friend, it has to be named “Fibber McGee”. :smiley: If you do, let me know and I’ll send you a picture of their star on Hollywood Blvd. (actually it’s on Vine, but whatever.)

Good luck to you, and enjoy. I’m envious. :frowning:

Stranger

Congrats!!

Make sure and post new pics when she gets settled in. She’s a beauty.

I’m curious: Did the guy at the pound say why the former owner brought her there?

Actually she isn’t spayed yet, but she will be (and get examined and get all the shots) before I can take her home.

And yes, I’ll definitely find a training class of some kind. I already got a couple of books.

The volunteer I talked to didn’t know, or at least won’t tell me. It’s a slight concern but I figured there are plenty of reasons why someone can no longer care for a perfectly fine dog.

Congratulations!!! Molly looks adorable. I’m so happy for both of you.

There are lots of reasons why perfectly good dogs end up at the shelter. And no, I don’t think they’re supposed to tell you. I got my dog Sam at our local SPCA. He was 5 yo and was a surrender. The worker let slip that his former owner was a senior citizen who went to live in a care home and the rest of the family weren’t interested in having him. He was the best dog ever! I had him until he was 13 and he passed peacefully.

The best of luck to you and Molly! I can’t wait to see more pics!