# This CARTOON is what passes for political debate now? Thanks BNP! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 11, 2004, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886 "2004-06-11T21:59:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/21 "2004-06-12T00:40:50Z")
> [@Colophon](#): > > (The _Dad’s Army_ one depends on your having seen an old BBC comedy series of the same name, set in WWII.) Earlier this year, the entirely un-racist (ahem) Daily Express used a similar method to educate its readership - [link](http://img27.photobucket.com/albums/v80/kalidrom/Romani/map.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/22 "2004-06-12T00:44:18Z")
On a sort of side note; what was up with the bloody huge yard-long voting papers this time? I mean, I know there were a lot of different parties on there, but in the past, they have handled this by pasting up the details in the booths, leaving the ballot papers fairly uncluttered… ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/23 "2004-06-12T03:24:00Z")
Great galloping gorgons… Okay, speaking as an Ignorant Colonist, what British newspapers aren’t blatantly insane? I know they must exist, but I never see them in movies or in what little British TV we have. ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/24 "2004-06-12T03:33:54Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > … but in the past, they have handled this by pasting up the details in the booths, leaving the ballot papers fairly uncluttered… Really? There’s a legal requirement of what is required on the ballot papers, and they can’t substitue by placing this on posters instead - maybe the misunderstanding is because of the European ones having to list all entered candidtates under each party name? ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/25 "2004-06-12T03:36:07Z")
> [@Little Plastic Ninja](#): > > Okay, speaking as an Ignorant Colonist, what British newspapers aren’t blatantly insane? I know they must exist, but I never see them in movies or in what little British TV we have. The Guardian, the Independent, the Times and the Telegraph. Of course, the first two are blatantly commie-liberal-terrorist-traitors, from a US-media point of view. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/26 "2004-06-12T03:58:21Z")
Why did Blair jump ship? Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to show him grinning madly as the ship sinks? I mean, it’s not like he’s planning on fleeing the country, or anything. Is the MM supposed to represent Britain? If so, then is the BNP advocating that white British folk evacuate the country? If not, then the cartoon is clearly in protest of Blair’s extreme and murderous anti-immigration policies, or at least the fact that he doesn’t clue in white passengers before he sinks the ship. And was that Ireland at the end (this, I really don’t know). Is it cool to show Ireland, I mean, the whole of Ireland together with the UK, as if they were the same country? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/27 "2004-06-12T07:46:12Z")
> [@Menocchio](#): > > And was that Ireland at the end (this, I really don’t know). Is it cool to show Ireland, I mean, the whole of Ireland together with the UK, as if they were the same country? The BNP doesn’t think much of the Irish in general, but presumably they think they’ll get a little mileage out of “their poor fellow drowning white folk across the water a bit”… Is that _Jesse Jackson’s_ head I see flying off Tower Bridge in the “Traitor’s Gate” one? It’s been almost nine years since I left Britain and I can’t remember a single black politician of major repute… and that sure _looks_ like Jesse. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/28 "2004-06-12T09:34:43Z")
> [@Little Plastic Ninja](#): > > Great galloping gorgons… > > Okay, speaking as an Ignorant Colonist, what British newspapers aren’t blatantly insane? I know they must exist, but I never see them in movies or in what little British TV we have. British papers are divided into broadsheets and tabloids. The former - The Times, The Telegraph, The Guardian, and The Independent - expect their readers to think. The Guardian is politically hard left, the Telegraph fairly hard right, and the other two soft left. The tabloids are a different matter. The Mirror is hard left, the Express is just switching from soft left to soft right, and the Mail is soft right. The Sun and the Sport don’t care as long as she’s got big tits. Most of the papers seem to be statist, but the Sun and the Mail have a strong libertarian streak. Not sure about the Independent. Me, I read the Mail, not for its politics but because it’s just the right length for me to read and do the puzzles in my lunch hour. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/29 "2004-06-12T09:55:45Z")
the BNP are trying hard at the moment to hide their anti-Irish past, and are now trying to encourage Irish fascists to get organised. they even tried co-opting the Proclamation of the Irish Republic into an anti-immigration document. let’s just say it didn’t really work. ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/30 "2004-06-12T11:03:31Z")
> [@qts](#): > > …and the Mail is soft right. … > > Most of the papers seem to be statist, but the Sun and the Mail have a strong libertarian streak. Not sure about the Independent. The Mail is screamingly hard right, and I’ve never heard it, or the Sun, described as liberal!! The Independent, as the name implies, is highly liberal. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/31 "2004-06-12T11:06:50Z")
My god people! Don’t you see how serious this is? The BNP is simply alerting us to the inevitable effects of unlimited immigration. We will get to heavy and sink into the ocean. Laugh now, but when you’re bobbing around the North Sea hanging on to your sofa you’ll wish you voted BNP! How can you not take these people seriously?? Incidentally, why are the UK passports blue? You’d think that’d be the sort of detail people obsessed with immigration would get right. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/32 "2004-06-12T11:09:50Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#): > > The Mail is screamingly hard right, and I’ve never heard it, or the Sun, described as liberal!! Libertarian, not Liberal. Very different things (unless one is refering to the poster 😃 ). ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/33 "2004-06-12T11:31:26Z")
My mistake/misread! ---
**Author:** ![js\_africanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@js\_africanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/js_africanus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/34 "2004-06-12T20:31:15Z")
Maybe the BNP should start a Boycott Curry movement. Regardless, in Nov. 2001 my sisters & I were in England and in London we saw a group of protesters carrying signs. Some of the signs said, “Free Speech Now!” while the others said, “Islam Out Of Britain!” We still laugh about that one. ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/35 "2004-06-12T20:37:31Z")
The Mail? “Soft right” you say? And you actually read it? Can you not see rabid, drooling, fascist rightism when you read it? This is the Daily Mail we’re talking about, the Blackshirts’ friend. I can’t get past about five pages of that “newspaper” without my blood pressure hitting dangerous levels. But then I read The Guardian… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/36 "2004-06-12T21:02:13Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#): > > Really? There’s a legal requirement of what is required on the ballot papers, and they can’t substitue by placing this on posters instead - maybe the misunderstanding is because of the European ones having to list all entered candidtates under each party name? I might be misremembering it, but I’m _sure_ that in some past election, I saw something like that. ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/37 "2004-06-12T21:14:09Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > I might be misremembering it, but I’m _sure_ that in some past election, I saw something like that. There’s only been one past European election with these huge great ballot papers with lists of names - prior to that it was a constituency system. There’s still extra information on display at the polling station, such as candidate’s addresses, nomination details and so on. Maybe that’s what you’re thinking of? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2004, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/38 "2004-06-13T06:35:36Z")
> [@js\_africanus](#): > > Maybe the BNP should start a Boycott Curry movement. > > Regardless, in Nov. 2001 my sisters & I were in England and in London we saw a group of protesters carrying signs. Some of the signs said, “Free Speech Now!” while the others said, “Islam Out Of Britain!” We still laugh about that one. Boycott curry? Everyone in urban England (except Grimsby, possibly) would starve… ---
**Author:** ![Chimpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@Chimpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimpy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2004, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/39 "2004-06-13T13:20:08Z")
> [@Really Not All That Bright](#): > > Boycott curry? Everyone in urban England (except Grimsby, possibly) would starve… or have to eat the dreaded kebab!a ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2004, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886/40 "2004-06-13T13:27:51Z")
Worst of all, the BNP apparantly believes that foreign women don’t have hands! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-cartoon-is-what-passes-for-political-debate-now-thanks-bnp/249886.md?page=1)