# This country is fucked: Survey says Fox now most trusted name in news. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 26, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580 "2010-01-26T22:32:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/1 "2010-01-26T22:32:31Z")
Here’s the story. 49 percent say they trust Fox, more than trust any other network. > **[Fox leads for trust](http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/01/fox-leads-for-trust.html)** > > Americans do not trust the major tv news operations in the country- except for Fox News. Our newest survey looking at perceptions of ABC New... sigh ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/2 "2010-01-26T22:36:24Z")
Of course there is 2 sides to any story. I’m guessing that you’re not a fan of Fox. Do you place any of the blame here on CNN, with Rick Kaplan both running the network and buying Lincoln Bedroom slots, or Dan Rather and his shenanigans at CBS (not just the ARNG story, but also his speaking at Texas Democratic Party events, etc)? ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/3 "2010-01-26T22:40:27Z")
On the plus side, this means that they have to stop pretending to be the “alternative” to the “mainstream” news. Right? ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/4 "2010-01-26T22:40:40Z")
Or perhaps Fox promoting teabagging events? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/5 "2010-01-26T22:41:01Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Of course there is 2 sides to any story. False equivalence. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/6 "2010-01-26T22:42:47Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > False equivalence. Not to mention grammar. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/7 "2010-01-26T22:58:26Z")
Well, that’s to be expected isn’t it ? Republicans represent half the country and most trust ONLY Fox News, attributing a “liberal bias” to anything left of it, including objectivity. Democrats represent the other half of the population and are split between X news sources (and the 'net, who watches television these days ?), each of which a given Dem might or might not trust ; some of them might even give points to Fox. If anything, the real surprise would be any \*other \*result. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/8 "2010-01-26T23:02:46Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > sigh Sorry, but the outfit that did the poll, Public Policy Polling, is [Run By Democrats](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Policy_Polling) You can’t trust the lies that come out of such _Liberal_ mouths. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/9 "2010-01-26T23:31:56Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Sorry, but the outfit that did the poll, Public Policy Polling, is [Run By Democrats](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Policy_Polling) > You can’t trust the lies that come out of such _Liberal_ mouths. I"m sorry, but I did not see anywhere where someone tried to say that the poll results were skewed by a partisan polling organization. I wonder then, why you felt the need to be pro-active in pointing this out? Did you feel that the complaint must certainly be coming, so you were forced to head it off? Your skills of prognostication must be remarkable! ETA: Or were you trying to be funny? Was that a bon mot? Witty reparte? A pun? ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/10 "2010-01-26T23:36:31Z")
Sometimes the talking points don’t wait for reality to catch up. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/11 "2010-01-26T23:43:04Z")
An example of contradictory beliefs is when someone believes in democracy, progress, the wisdom of crowds, public opinion as being the spirit of a nation, and all that jazz, simultaneously believes, and is fond of pointing out with some macabre glee, that most people are stupid, ignorant, authoritarian, and like to kick puppies. Bless the dears, they never let it trouble them. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/12 "2010-01-26T23:46:44Z")
Fucked, indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/13 "2010-01-26T23:57:26Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > False equivalence. please to explain why? Is there not something of a track record of lefty leaning (I pointed out only two) at the other places? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/14 "2010-01-27T00:34:40Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Is there not something of a track record of lefty leaning (I pointed out only two) at the other places? Of course there is; Fox News said so. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/15 "2010-01-27T00:45:55Z")
In other news, 49% of Americans are total morons. ---
**Author:** ![Cort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/77aa72/32.png) [@Cort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cort)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/16 "2010-01-27T00:50:49Z")
> [@Mr Smashy](#): > > Is there not something of a track record of lefty leaning (I pointed out only two) at the other places? Oh, please. If you can’t see hard and unrepentant right wing bias in every single news article on the front page of the FOX News website then you’ve got bigger things to worry about than who’s the most trusted name in news. The best left-wing analogue I’ve come across is the Huffington Post. To say CNN is as biased as FOX is both laughable and an insult to CNN. Compared with FOX, CNN is most decidedly a centrist broadcaster. If you want to talk about bias, here’s a few inconvenient truths for you: [ul] [li] On MSNBC’s _Hardball_ Scott McLellan confessed to regularly handing Bush Administration talking points directly to FOX commentators. [/li] [li] In 2006 the Project for Excellence in Journalism found that 68% of FOX _news_ stories contained “personal opinions”. Do you know how many of CNN’s news stories featured personal opinions? 4%.[/li] [li] In 2004 PIPA found that 68% of FOX News viewers believed that Saddam Hussein was working closely with Al-Qaeda, 43% believed the U.S. had found WMD’s in Iraq, and 35% believed that the majority of people in the world supported the U.S. invasion. As we all now know (or, at least, as we all now _should_ know) each of these beliefs was false. The corresponding figures for CNN were 48%, 20%, and 20%. [/li] [li] On September 18th FOX News ran full page ads in WaPo and NYT (among others) falsely accusing all their cable news competitors of failing to cover the Tea Party protests. The ad featured a picture of a large crowd along with an accusatory tagline reading “How ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and CNN miss this story?”. The claim that they missed the story is a lie. Not a mistake. Not an oversight. A shameless, brazen, balls-out lie. That FOX lied is an obvious conclusion, for two reasons. Firstly, the voluminous coverage given to the Tea Parties by FOX’s falsely disparaged simply could not have gone unnoticed. Secondly, the still photograph those liars at FOX used for their advert was stolen from (irony of ironies) a fucking CNN broadcast![/li][/ul] I could go on all the live long day. There’s no such thing as a news organisation that is completely free of bias, but at FOX the one-sidedness and overt favouritism is so flagrant it’s almost gleeful. The only thing they care more about than making money and lying to conservatives is pissing off liberals with how much they can get away with. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/17 "2010-01-27T01:09:42Z")
This is old news among climate science researches. Fox news is as stupid as Beavis and Butthead. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/P70SlEqX7oY/maxresdefault.jpg "Climate Crock Sacks Hack Attack Part 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P70SlEqX7oY) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/7nnVQ2fROOg/hqdefault.jpg "6. Climate Change -- Those hacked e-mails") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg) How can anyone see that mendacity coming from a place that claims to be News and continue to rely on them? Oh well, far from blaming all the viewers (One has to assume about a 27% level of [Crazification](http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/lunch-discussions-145-crazification.html)) I think a good chunk of them just remain ignorant, and it is not just because of Fox news. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/18 "2010-01-27T01:30:31Z")
Yeah, FOX sucks, Republicans suck, there is no liberal media bias, and Obama is the personification of what is right with the world. :rolleyes: You people that claim that CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, etc. don’t have left wing leanings but FOX is so obviously right wing are as blind as the people you are pissing about. FOX News Sunday (or whatever they call it) has the only balanced group of rational speakers of any major network. That alone gives it credibility to me. ABC with George Stepon-all-of-us? Yeah, didn’t he work for Clinton for 6 years? That’s an unbiased voice. Glen Beck is the equivalent of Keith Olbermann. Flush all that crap. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/19 "2010-01-27T01:42:02Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > You people that claim that CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, etc. don’t have left wing leanings but FOX is so obviously right wing are as blind as the people you are pissing about. Oh look the old “I do not believe left wingers when they claim Mainstream media is not left wing.” Well, answer yourself this: Why is that when guys in those other networks get replacements (due to the host being sick or unavailable) we get virtual plain vanilla unknowns and when at Fox a replacement host appears it is guys like New Ginwrinch, Mike Huckabee or even Chuck freaking Norris? I would expect that for fairness sake when a news host at ABC, for example, is replaced we could get someone like Michael Moore, but I don’t think you need to worry about that. Frankly about the only one I could point as left leaning is MSNBC, but that applies to only a few of their shows. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/20 "2010-01-27T01:43:05Z")
I don’t doubt that the lefties here don’t see any bias in the Dan Rather fiasco or the Rick Kaplan/Lincoln Bedroom stuff, since they are telling you what you want to hear. I notice nobody has addressed those incidents yet. OK. But once you acknowledge those, how can you be surprised when the public (and this was a survey, not some objective measurement methodology like the PEJ) thinks that they therefore skew that way? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580.md?page=2)