# This country is fucked: Survey says Fox now most trusted name in news. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 26, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580 "2010-01-26T22:32:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/21 "2010-01-27T01:49:54Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > I don’t doubt that the lefties here don’t see any bias in the Dan Rather fiasco or the Rick Kaplan/Lincoln Bedroom stuff, since they are telling you what you want to hear. I notice nobody has addressed those incidents yet. OK. Dan rather was disliked by many on the left before, for the record I did not defend him then, I thought that it was just good riddance. > [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > But once you acknowledge those, how can you be surprised when the public (and this was a survey, not some objective measurement methodology like the PEJ) thinks that they therefore skew that way? IMHO, many are ignorant of the levels of discussion that are allowed in the mainstream, if the mainstream was left leaning, there would be a lot of discussion on why there was no talk of a single payer system in the current health care debate for example. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/22 "2010-01-27T01:50:51Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Glen Beck is the equivalent of Keith Olbermann. Flush all that crap. Oh please. I’m no fan of Olbermann, but Glenn Beck is a fucking ass clown. When have you ever seen Olbermann or any professional on any of the other networks cry like a baby or talk in Muppet voices. He’s basically Mancow without the strippers, fart noises or dick jokes. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/23 "2010-01-27T02:12:14Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Yeah, FOX sucks, Republicans suck, there is no liberal media bias, and Obama is the personification of what is right with the world. > > :rolleyes: > > You people that claim that CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, etc. don’t have left wing leanings but FOX is so obviously right wing are as blind as the people you are pissing about. > > FOX News Sunday (or whatever they call it) has the only balanced group of rational speakers of any major network. That alone gives it credibility to me. ABC with George Stepon-all-of-us? Yeah, didn’t he work for Clinton for 6 years? That’s an unbiased voice. > > Glen Beck is the equivalent of Keith Olbermann. Flush all that crap. Well I certainly feel less bad for making you look like a moron in that watch thread now. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/24 "2010-01-27T02:19:42Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > Oh please. I’m no fan of Olbermann, but Glenn Beck is a fucking ass clown. When have you ever seen Olbermann or any professional on any of the other networks cry like a baby or talk in Muppet voices. He’s basically Mancow without the strippers, fart noises or dick jokes. They are both idiots, but the OP was talking about the news. Feel free to disagree, but I don’t put Keith, Beck, Hannity, Matthews, or many others in the ‘news’ category; they are entertainers, commentators, 20th century bloggers. This issue really came to the forefront of American consciousness during [Goldberg’s](http://www.amazon.com/Bias-Insider-Exposes-Media-Distort/dp/0895261901)book I think. Americans (evidently) believe that the non-Fox news organizations stress stories that are pro-liberal causes. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/25 "2010-01-27T02:31:25Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > Oh please. I’m no fan of Olbermann, but Glenn Beck is a fucking ass clown…He’s basically Mancow without the strippers, fart noises or dick jokes. Well, when you put it that way, there really _isn’t_ much reason to watch him then, is there? ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/26 "2010-01-27T02:34:47Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Well I certainly feel less bad for making you look like a moron in that watch thread now. 😃 You are the only one that thinks so, fuckbag. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/27 "2010-01-27T02:36:36Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > Oh please. I’m no fan of Olbermann, but Glenn Beck is a fucking ass clown. When have you ever seen Olbermann or any professional on any of the other networks cry like a baby or talk in Muppet voices. He’s basically Mancow without the strippers, fart noises or dick jokes. Seriously? Flush it all. None of these bozos do anything but pander to the frothing idiots on either side of the aisle. Just because Olbermann wears a suit and tie doesn’t make him special. He’s just a better dressed ass clown. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/28 "2010-01-27T02:42:10Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Seriously? Flush it all. None of these bozos do anything but pander to the frothing idiots on either side of the aisle. Just because Olbermann wears a suit and tie doesn’t make him special. He’s just a better dressed ass clown. Well, doesn’t Beck also wear a suit and tie? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/29 "2010-01-27T02:42:29Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > They are both idiots, but the OP was talking about the news. Feel free to disagree, but I don’t put Keith, Beck, Hannity, Matthews, or many others in the ‘news’ category; they are entertainers, commentators, 20th century bloggers. Someone should say that to those opinion show hosts. [http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/19/vansusteren-white-house-fox/](http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/19/vansusteren-white-house-fox/) I have seen many examples of “news opinions” being referenced at fox news. Do you think “Your World with Neil Cavuto” is considered an opinion show? I ask because Stuart Varney was also involved in the swindle made by Fox to the American people regarding reports on Global Warming. > [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > This issue really came to the forefront of American consciousness during [Goldberg’s](http://www.amazon.com/Bias-Insider-Exposes-Media-Distort/dp/0895261901)book I think. Americans (evidently) believe that the non-Fox news organizations stress stories that are pro-liberal causes. > **[FAIR](https://fair.org/?page=1100)** > > FAIR is the national progressive media watchdog group, challenging corporate media bias, spin and misinformation. > [@](#): > > When Goldberg points to alleged bias in media news, it’s often just evidence that the world is asymmetrical. For instance, he’s outraged that reporters who label Rush Limbaugh “conservative” fail to call Rosie O’Donnell “liberal.” The fact that Limbaugh’s show is virtually always about hard-core right-wing politics, while O’Donnell’s is much more likely to be about Broadway shows or snack foods, seems to elude him. Goldberg writes that Dan Rather characterized George W. Bush’s presidential agenda as “Republican-right,” and wonders why he didn’t “talk about President Clinton and his ‘Democratic-left agenda.’” Could it have anything to do with the fact that Bush ran as a proud standard-bearer of the GOP’s right wing, while Clinton boasted of moving his party from the left to the center? > > Large chunks of the book deal with forms of bias that could hardly be called liberal. For example, Goldberg chides NBC anchor Tom Brokaw for failing to do a story about a defective airplane engine made by NBC parent General Electric. This kind of pro-corporate cover-up is something progressive media critics have been pointing out for years. > > Later, Goldberg delivers a lengthy and stinging indictment of the networks for making profit-based decisions valuing white and middle-class demographics above all else, and skewing news and entertainment accordingly. He concludes, “Advertisers like white audiences, they have more money to spend.” How this supports Goldberg’s thesis that the networks “slant the news in a leftward direction” is far from clear. > > Goldberg’s prescriptions for improving the news aren’t much better than his media analysis. He writes that broadcast reports about a controversial childcare study released last year could have been more balanced. Goldberg’s remedy? Reporters should have interviewed Steve Forbes. While not an expert on child development, Goldberg writes, Forbes could have explained that working less and raising children without having to rely on daycare was exactly what was so attractive about his flat-tax plan. You finish the book wondering not whether the media have a left-wing bias–it provides no credible evidence of that–but whether Goldberg has some kind of fixation on Steve Forbes. And even today Goldberg continues to ignore facts on the way to tell a good yarn. [http://mediamatters.org/columns/200901280014](http://mediamatters.org/columns/200901280014) > [@](#): > > Case in point. > > In the first chapter of Slobbering, Goldberg writes that the media were “championing” Obama and cites as proof a June 2008 broadcast of CBS’ The Early Show, which ran a segment called “Five Things You Should Know About Barack Obama,” featuring biographical fluff on the then-Illinois senator. Goldberg goes on to contend that CBS’ Jeff Glor sounded “more like Obama’s campaign manager than a network news correspondent” during the segment. However, like so many other glossy television profile pieces during the long presidential campaign, CBS’ report was only one-half of a set. Just days later, CBS would air a segment titled “Five Things You Should Know” about Sen. John McCain, featuring such trivia as McCain’s high school nickname, television and movie cameos, and enjoyment of bird-watching and comedian Sacha Baron Cohen’s fictional character Borat. Not surprisingly, Goldberg’s book makes no mention of the McCain segment. > > This is just one of many examples in which Goldberg mangles the facts to suit his own agenda; unfortunately, there are many others. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/30 "2010-01-27T02:44:13Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > You are the only one that thinks so, fuckbag. 😃 That’s up to the peanut gallery, wiffle-dick. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/31 "2010-01-27T02:46:45Z")
Even more evidence that this country is rapidly headed toward\* Idiocracy.\* Glenn Beck, voted second most popular TV personality: [http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2010/01/25/2010-01-25\_oprah\_glenn\_beck\_are\_americas\_favorite\_tv\_personalities\_poll\_.html](http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2010/01/25/2010-01-25_oprah_glenn_beck_are_americas_favorite_tv_personalities_poll_.html) Is there any hope? ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/32 "2010-01-27T02:52:48Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > That’s up to the peanut gallery, wiffle-dick. 😃 Listen, Timex-boy… I don’t know why you have a hard on for me, but quit hijacking this thread for your personal wank-fest. Go see Avatar for the 100th time, pop in your Hobbit video, and don’t wonder why you don’t have a job, money, or a girlfriend. The only thing I can figure is you were born without hands, so you can’t wank away like a little monkey. Typing like Stephen Hawking doesn’t make you Stephen Hawking. 😃 If you have something to say to me, send me a PM. If not, shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/33 "2010-01-27T02:55:02Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > Even more evidence that this country is rapidly headed toward\* Idiocracy.\* Glenn Beck, voted second most popular TV personality: > [http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2010/01/25/2010-01-25\_oprah\_glenn\_beck\_are\_americas\_favorite\_tv\_personalities\_poll\_.html](http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2010/01/25/2010-01-25_oprah_glenn_beck_are_americas_favorite_tv_personalities_poll_.html) > > Is there any hope? OK. Now that is disturbing. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/34 "2010-01-27T03:01:38Z")
Just a reminder to those trying to deflect the discussion, here is what this thread is about: > [@](#): > > Here’s the story. 49 percent say they trust Fox, more than trust any other network. > > [http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot](http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot)…for-trust.html You’re welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/35 "2010-01-27T03:02:43Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Listen, Timex-boy… I don’t know why you have a hard on for me, but quit hijacking this thread for your personal wank-fest. Go see Avatar for the 100th time, pop in your Hobbit video, and don’t wonder why you don’t have a job, money, or a girlfriend. The only thing I can figure is you were born without hands, so you can’t wank away like a little monkey. Typing like Stephen Hawking doesn’t make you Stephen Hawking. 😃 > > If you have something to say to me, send me a PM. If not, shut the fuck up. Have I gotten a rise out of you? Not my intention. I was simply responding to your drivel. I think you need to calm down and take a nap. ---
**Author:** ![kenner116](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecb155/32.png) [@kenner116](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenner116)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/36 "2010-01-27T03:02:58Z")
We need more immigration to dilute the crazy, or to at least get a different kind of crazy. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/37 "2010-01-27T03:03:50Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Just a reminder to those trying to deflect the discussion, here is what this thread is about: > > You’re welcome. You forgot the SIGH ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/38 "2010-01-27T03:03:58Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Just a reminder to those trying to deflect the discussion, here is what this thread is about: > > You’re welcome. Does it make you happy, to know that so much of the country is as stupid as you are? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/39 "2010-01-27T03:06:40Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Yeah, FOX sucks, Republicans suck, there is no liberal media bias, and Obama is the personification of what is right with the world. > > :rolleyes: > > You people that claim that CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, etc. don’t have left wing leanings but FOX is so obviously right wing are as blind as the people you are pissing about. > > FOX News Sunday (or whatever they call it) has the only balanced group of rational speakers of any major network. That alone gives it credibility to me. ABC with George Stepon-all-of-us? Yeah, didn’t he work for Clinton for 6 years? That’s an unbiased voice. > > Glen Beck is the equivalent of Keith Olbermann. Flush all that crap. Hello Mr. **Fish Pot** (can i call you **Stink**?) Right before you, **Cort** posted what seemed to me to be an analysis with cites and everything that made a reasonable stab at showing FOX news viewers are significantly more clueless than other viewers, and that the FOX network itself lies about the bias in coverage. On the other hand, you have posted a bunch of opinions, couched in an insulting tone. Thank you for illustrating in such an entertaining fashion the differences between the two opposing views. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/40 "2010-01-27T03:07:19Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Have I gotten a rise out of you? Not my intention. I was simply responding to your drivel. I think you need to calm down and take a nap. Sadly, no. But it \*was \*your intention. That’s what you try to do. You add nothing. And knowing you are a liberal does not speak well for the Democrats. I guess I won’t get my PM. What a pity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580.md?page=3)