# This country is fucked: Survey says Fox now most trusted name in news. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 26, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580 "2010-01-26T22:32:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/161 "2010-01-29T01:31:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I can see your pretty serious here, **Smashy**. Put on your cleats, your pads, your helmet, you really want to be taken seriously here. You got some of the form down, but you’re missing the content. Humming the tune isn’t singing the song, you gotta know the lyrics. > > Case in exasperating point: all you got about how serious the public takes Rathergate is some guy speculating about why CBS is so lowly regarded by the right. See, thats why that word “perhaps” is there, it serves a purpose, its not a word that was wandering across the page and fell in. > > You are attempting to sell us the castle you built on speculative quicksand. Our experience is that those structures burn down, fall over and sink into the swamp. I appreciate your condescension, thank you. You must be taking lessons from the President. As for your point… I think the theory is pretty reasonable. But as I said before, if you got a better theory, bring it. > [@](#): > > I can see your pretty serious here (ahem… it’s _you’re_) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/162 "2010-01-29T01:52:21Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > I appreciate your condescension, thank you. You must be taking lessons from the President… Well, until you can come up with zingers of your own, you’d be best advised to steal some…No shame in that! Unless you get caught… > [@](#): > > …(ahem… it’s _you’re_) You definitely don’t want to go down that road. Not on the Boards, nosir! You want to be a snotty pedant around here, you better know your shit. You got any idea how many English majors we got on the Boards? Naturally, they don’t talk about it much, but they’re out there. A lot of your kind ride into town, thinking they’re hot, but they all end up out on Reboot Hill. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/163 "2010-01-29T02:12:02Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > As for your point… I think the theory is pretty reasonable. But as I said before, if you got a better theory, bring it. I got one ! I got one ! Fox spends an inordinate amount of time and money in hostile marketing : slamming the “MSM”. Do the other networks get their slander on vis à vis Fox ? This is an honest question, I really don’t know (don’t watch TV, much less foreign TV ;)). I know Comedy Central does, but it doesn’t really count, and besides it’s not on the poll 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/164 "2010-01-29T02:20:42Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > I got one ! I got one ! > Fox spends an inordinate amount of time and money in hostile marketing : slamming the “MSM”. Do the other networks get their slander on vis à vis Fox ? This is an honest question, I really don’t know (don’t watch TV, much less foreign TV ;)). I know Comedy Central does, but it doesn’t really count, and besides it’s not on the poll 😛 Your theory, then, is that Fox themselves (intentionally?) created the dynamic we’re seeing? That it has been engaging in a shock and awe campaign to sully the competition’s credibility, thereby driving more viewers (and therefore better ratings) to themselves? Hmmm. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/165 "2010-01-29T02:22:17Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > You got any idea how many English majors we got on the Boards? Judging by the number of hardcore lefties and basket-case emotion-bots constantly whining that the government doesn’t take care of them, probably a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/166 "2010-01-29T02:34:16Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Judging by the number of hardcore lefties and basket-case emotion-bots constantly whining that the government doesn’t take care of them, probably a lot. You certainly are snippy for a guy who isn’t honest enough to admit when you’re wrong. Maybe you should be off that horse, I think it’s a little tall for you. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/167 "2010-01-29T03:31:43Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You certainly are snippy for a guy who isn’t honest enough to admit when you’re wrong. > > Maybe you should be off that horse, I think it’s a little tall for you. Sshhh, adults talking here ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/168 "2010-01-29T03:57:24Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Your theory, then, is that Fox themselves (intentionally?) created the dynamic we’re seeing? That it has been engaging in a shock and awe campaign to sully the competition’s credibility, thereby driving more viewers (and therefore better ratings) to themselves? > > Hmmm. 'zat mockery or doubt ? I can’t tell from here. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/169 "2010-01-29T04:06:37Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Sshhh, adults talking here I need to keep pointing out what a hypocrite coward you are, lest you get away with your bullshittery. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/170 "2010-01-29T04:24:28Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > I remember exactly what the story was about. They reported as fact, an apparently fabricated a memo that implied that W was AWOL or otherwise neglected to fulfill his NGB service, during the presidential campaign, in light of significant evidence to the contrary. Intentionally. I’ll concede that all the falsified memos did was give ammunition to critics of the media, and rightfully so. But what “significant evidence” is there that Bush didn’t go AWOL? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/171 "2010-01-29T04:30:30Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I need to keep pointing out what a hypocrite coward you are, lest you get away with your bullshittery. He really is, isn’t he? I’ll bet he’s never read any of those blogs he’s been comparing to Pravda. Heck, I bet he’s never even read [Pravda](http://english.pravda.ru/). He’s probably got the same taste in news sources as Sarah Palin: “All of em” 😉 Speaking of Quality Journalism: [Fox reporter accidentally tweets hooker ad during State of the Union](http://rawstory.com/2010/01/fox-host-bashes-critics-suckling-snide-syrup-tweeting-hooker-ad/) ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/172 "2010-01-29T04:32:15Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Oh, nice dig, Smashy. The right wingers don’t have some sort of lock on living in the “real world”. No, that would be the great mass of market zealots, who judge the “real-worldness” of anything or anybody by how much money he/she/it makes. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/173 "2010-01-29T12:13:40Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > 'zat mockery or doubt ? I can’t tell from here. Neither. It’s an idea that has merit, IMHO. Pitty it takes this long before someone actually chimes in. Most of your friends would prefer to rant ‘n’ rave. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/174 "2010-01-29T12:21:14Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > I’ll concede that all the falsified memos did was give ammunition to critics of the media, and rightfully so. > But what “significant evidence” is there that Bush didn’t go AWOL? Whether he did or did not is completely irrelevant. What’s important here is that CBS senior newsies, including Danny Boy, pushed this story and waved the ‘memo’ around, long after they should have realized it was fabricated (it was written in a font that didn’t even exist at the time, for goodness sake…) That incident, along with others we’ve talked about, provided all the ammo required to the right, which was seeking to cast the aforementioned aspersions on the major media outlets (given that they weren’t very friendly to their cause). As I’ve said before, stuff like this lets Rush and Sean dine out for years. Personally, I think that the major media are much more up the middle now. But again, and people keep missing this point, _that’s not what the OP was about._ It’s about public perception, and whether the sins of the fathers have anything to do with the current state of affairs. I say yes, but most of the HuffPo crowd evidently doesn’t think so. Whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/175 "2010-01-29T12:27:34Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > He really is, isn’t he? > I’ll bet he’s never read any of those blogs he’s been comparing to Pravda. > Heck, I bet he’s never even read [Pravda](http://english.pravda.ru/). He’s probably got the same taste in news sources as Sarah Palin: “All of em” 😉 > > Speaking of Quality Journalism: > [Fox reporter accidentally tweets hooker ad during State of the Union](http://rawstory.com/2010/01/fox-host-bashes-critics-suckling-snide-syrup-tweeting-hooker-ad/) Being an independent moderate, I like to see all viewpoints. I’ve been registered at Kos before, believe it or not, and read the position pieces (I forget what they are called - journals? diaries?) and still get the daily HuffPo piece in my mailbox (although it doesn’t get read every day, there is work to do after all…). I don’t read or post on any conservative blogs, unless you count Las Vegas Advisor among that group. I have no problem with anyone who reads any source of course - my problem is when people link to clearly agenda-driven sites to attempt to prove a ‘fact’ or bolster some argument. ---
**Author:** ![Cort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/77aa72/32.png) [@Cort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cort)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/176 "2010-01-29T12:54:49Z")
I just wanted to post [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTkqosRiyYo) link of **Ale’s** again. Fucking hilarious! ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/177 "2010-01-29T13:43:53Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Being an independent moderate… So, a winger by any reasonable standard? You’ve already given us your take on 'standards": > [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Since there is no definite standard, and everything’s relative, I guess public perception is the arbiter. And it seems that that standard has determined that media other than Fox is not to be trusted. This sounds to me like the quality of thought of those who tried so hard to get the nation worked up over the threat posed by Saddam Hussein: “Anything at all may be distorted to support the point I’m trying to make.” “Superpowers make their own truth.” “There is no objective reality.” Sure, _they_ were doing because they’re dishonest fuckwads, and you may be doing it because you’re an innocently confused patsy of the radical right, but the result is the same; an endless stream of bullshit. [So called “Moderates” are still fighting the good fight:](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100129/ap_on_re_eu/eu_britain_blair_iraq) > [@](#): > > An unrepentant Tony Blair defended his decision to join the United States in attacking Iraq, arguing Friday before a panel investigating the war that the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks made the threat of weapons of mass destruction impossible to ignore. > The former British Prime Minister said that before Sept. 11 he thought “Saddam was a menace, that he was a threat, he was a monster, but we would have to try and make best.” I wonder if this story’ll make Fox News? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/178 "2010-01-29T15:37:58Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > I wonder if this story’ll make Fox News? [Evidently.](http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/01/29/blair-on-iraq-war-hot-seat/) As for > [@](#): > > So, a winger by any reasonable standard? In your eyes, is anyone to the right of Howard Dean automatically Pat Buchanan? Or to put it another way, can you name 3 conservatives you respect? or 3 conservative ideas you can get behind? I can easily name many liberals I respect and many liberal positions I hold. Or does anyone who not worship at the altar of complete socialism and total pacifism automatically qualify for winger status? So who’s the extremist then? And who has more standing to judge reasonableness of ideas, as applied to America? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/179 "2010-01-29T16:35:28Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Or does anyone who not worship at the altar of complete socialism and total pacifism automatically qualify for winger status No, someone who would describe Obama’s policies as _complete socialism and total pacifism_ is an blindly ideological (and quite stupid) right winger. Now in keeping with your M.O., you’re too much of a lying coward to stance yourself honestly. But then again, you refuse to admit when you’re wrong and you just run away and deflect when it’s pointed out. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580/180 "2010-01-29T16:50:36Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > In your eyes, is anyone to the right of Howard Dean automatically Pat Buchanan? Nope, but when they employ extremist techniques like the pre-polarized question you just asked me, I can be pretty confident that there’s a wingnut in the house. You want to claim the mantle of the moderate? Start being moderate in your invective. So far you’ve failed miserably, so I don’t believe you. Perhaps you could try claiming the mantle of “socially conservative libertarian” that was so popular a few years ago, when Bush started taking it in the shorts? It’s not much used anymore, so is freely available. Of course no one ever really believed that schtick either. Oh well. ☹ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-country-is-fucked-survey-says-fox-now-most-trusted-name-in-news/526580.md?page=10)