The poll was conducted by Research 2000, not by Kos, and the methdlogy is sound. Those numbers are real. Sorry.
:rolleyes:
It does matter in a place called the Straight Dope.
The bottom line is that no matter how you want it to be, the reality that remains is that popularity does not mean fact.
There is really no reason whatsoever that a so called moderate or independent would be happy for this situation regarding Fox.
BTW the poll does show that independents do not trust Fox also, and as mentioned before, it does not show that the majority of **all **the people trust Fox. There is a reason why the poll has a question mark in the title.
Intelligence should be our first weapon
And stop reveling in rejection
And follow yourselves, not some ageing drain brain
Whose quite content to go on feeding you garbage
Is that a limerick? It scans like a limerick, but it doesn’t rhyme.
Yes, but the poll was taken by Fox! 
I don’t know what you mean by “it scans like a limerick” since it’s four lines, doesn’t rhyme, and doesn’t have the rhythm or line lengths of a limerick. Perhaps it’s some joke from South Park. Yes, I will assume from now on any time somebody says something inexplicable that it’s some joke from a South Park episode I never saw. That’s what it usually turns out to be.
P.S. it’s a lyric from “Running on the Spot” by The Jam, who are somewhere on a musical continuum between The Clash and The Proclaimers. The lyrics are full of typos because I copied them off one of those crappy lyrics site. I mainly like the advice not to keep going to some brain draining garbage dump. They must have had Fox in mind.
Speaking of ageing drain brains, have you seen Fox News CEO Roger Ailes lately?
http://www.newshounds.us/2010/01/31/roger_ailes_less_than_ringing_endorsement_of_glenn_beck.php
Popularity does not mean fact. You are correct.
The OP was about a poll about which was more trustworthy (in the eyes of those responding to the poll). That’s not about facts, not exactly: in fact it’s more about popularity, after a fashion.
Not sure if you were referring to me, but this ‘so called moderate/independent’ is isn’t necessarily happy or sad about this situation - it just is. What I don’t like is intellectual dishonesty, and it’s something I see an awful lot of here on these message boards, driven by political agendas and in some cases, outright hatred.
Oh really?
So you see how intellectually dishonest Fox news is regarding Climate Change (an item that will cause more damage the longer we follow the path of doing nothing, affecting millions) and you think that is not worse than what Dan Rather and CBS did?
So you see also how dishonest the information given to fox viewers regarding health care reform will make people continue to pressure politicians to do the wrong thing and continue with a health care system that lets many die, go into bankruptcy and limits the freedom of citizens and companies to do business in America? And that also is not worse than CBS did?
I’m beginning to agree with others that you may think you are intellectually honest, but in reality you appear as a coward for not dealing (You continue always to ignore the cites that showed fox entertainers and even newsmen telling the American people false or misleading information) with the reality of the misinformation prevalent in Fox news.
The difference is that Fox parrots Republican talking points so consistently that its bias isn’t news to anyone who isn’t (to borrow a phrase I hate) “drinking the Kool-Aid”. When someone like, say, the BBC step over the line it’s big news precisely because it’s so out of character.
Well, personally I wouldn’t say that that scandal arises to the level of what CBS was caught doing (trying to throw an election). You can judge for yourself, of course.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m trying to defend Fox per se… I’m trying to get people to realize that the other networks were complicit in this situation. Something that the ‘blame Fox first’ crowd doesn’t seem to want to admit.
Well, again you are confusing people’s perception with what your ‘facts’ (which are in dispute, but I’ll resist the threadjack lure).
You didn’t link to the Fox ‘misinformation’ about Climate Change (can’t call it Global Warming I guess, as it’s damn cold these days), so I have no way to judge. But let’s assume, just between the two of us, they have been saying it’s in doubt, that it’s not settled science. That’s actually what people believe.
So, putting aside whether Global Warming is happening, human caused, etc… The PERCEPTION of people is that Fox is telling them what they already believe. Which is WHY THEY ARE THE MOST TRUSTED. Remember, there are almost twice as many conservatives as there are liberals in America - Fox is better aligned with what they want to hear. Seems like good business to me.
You and others continue to decry that they are lying, they are convincing people that HCR is bad so they are getting people killed through lack of care, isn’t that worse than tyring to throw an election through falsified memos, etc. You completely miss the point. You need to forget about whether they are ‘right’ or not, from your point of view, as it doesn’t matter.
That’d be some intellectual honesty I’d like to see.
CBS wasn’t “caught trying to throw an election.” You lose all credibility when you spout that kind of inane bullshit. It makes you sound like one of the idiots on Fox News.
The smoke was fake but the fire was real. Somehow that escapes attention. It’s interesting how people who watch Fox News and voted for Bush discover they have this deep well of integrity and respect for the truth when it comes to Dan Rather or Bill Clinton.
But it comes with a free Frogurt!
You say that as though it were established fact.
It’s not. It’s a matter in dispute.
CBS knew this, which is why they presented the documents. They wished to buttress the case for the story that Bush failed to report as ordered. But that story is by no means universally accepted as true, with or without forged documents backing it up.
That’s your opinion. Mine’s different.
It was painfully obvious to virtually everyone that those were fake docs.
Rather’s well known as a Texas Democrat - he’s spoken at the Texas Democratic Committee meetings, his daughter is high up in Dem circles, and he’s helped raise money for them. And consider the timing: this incident was very close to election time, an October Surprise.
If you’re asking me if I have a Post-It note from Dan’s office with scribbling on it that says, "Continue to push falsified memos as if they are genuine, even after everyone else in the world knows they aren’t, in an effort to get Kerry elected, um no I don’t have that. But to me, 2+2=4, and the dots don’t need too much connecting here.
Unless you are blinded by an agenda and refuse to see the truth. Your call.
No, it really isn’t. There is ample other evidence without the dics, including the testimony of the woman who typed the original docs (before Rove pulled the switcheroo ;)).
I don’t want to get off on a tangent here – “Bush was a deserter” is becoming his “Clinton got a blow job” – but it’s really beyond any reasonable dispute that he blew off the last several months of his ANG duty, and that it was basically ignored because of who his father was. We lefties accepted that Clinton was a horndog, and that it was silly to deny it a long, long time ago. It wouldn’t kill you guys to admit that your boy got the rich kid treatment during Nam. I don’t even blame him for doing it. I woul have done the same thing faced with those choices and those advantages…well, except for the desertion part.
I find these statements to be somewhat at odds with one another.