Here’s ten lies for you. Hell, if FoxNews ever stopped distorting the truth so much The Daily Show would have a much harder time filling each show. Sure, you could argue that those don’t “rise to the level” of the ones you’ve pointed out. But then, if FoxNews didn’t trumpet them so loudly, would they have been as big a scandal as they appeared?
It’s also worth noting that the scandals on other networks are all the more shocking for their rarity - how many similar incidents compared to the ten in my link (and rest assured those are only a sample) can you mention from networks other than FoxNews?
Indeed there is. Beck is a fucking mastermind. Love him or hate him, he is the pitchman to end all pitchmen; with a syrupy glaze of folksy Mormon charm and a tear in his eye he sells his version of America that a lot of people can identify with.
People have been enamored by these bullshit artists for generations, the only difference is that typically, we elect them. More recently though, punditry pays just as well if not better for those with too many skeletons in the closet to run for public office. You think Limbaugh wouldn’t have run for some office if his past weren’t hanging over him?
It’s really no surprise that Fox is leading the polls, the pendulum is swinging against Obama and so is the mood of the country, for now. He’s got two more years to change that and if he sticks to 1/3rd of the stuff he brought up in the SOTU speech, he may just pull it off.
I’m surprised this one didn’t make it into it. While it’s a rather harmless whopper, wouldn’t be the first time that polls get misrepresented, it has to get some points for the sheer shamelessness of blatantly lying right in front of all the people polled.
HuffPo, eh? couldn’t find anything in Kos? :dubious:
Seriously, some of those are pretty laughable. Like Obama saying he wants a European style health care system… he’s on tape, I think from 2005, saying he wants single payer. That’s pretty European, I’d say.
And Chris Wallace’s guest talking about end-of-life issues for the VA… you’re going to hold Fox accountable for what a guest says on a talking head Sunday show? Do you apply that same standard to George S or Meet the Press?
If you’re asking do I think Fox caters messages to their audience (a plurality of America, if the previous Gallup poll I linked to is to be believed), I think the answer is yes. I never said that they are straight up the middle, and if I did, I retract that here. But, do you honestly *(honestly now) believe that those rise to the level of trying to throw an election, vis a vis the CBS scandal?
Remember the OP: who does the country trust more? My question was, do you put any of that blame on those other networks. I’m still waiting for one of the lefties here to concede that.
So to be clear, you don’t feel that the aforementioned sins of the major media outlets, or Shodan’s posts pointing out the bias against McCain, at least partially resulted in the OP’s poll?
This inability to accept reality reminds me of the denial I’m seeing with the Obama administration trying to explain away Massachussetts. The president’s idea that the forces that got him elected is the same wave that put that Dem stronghold seat in GOP hands is laughable, especially in light of the explicit campaign run by Brown (“Elect me and I’ll be the 41st vote against Health Care Reform”).
You’re free to believe what you want of course.
PS: I know this threadjacking, but for those interested, the WaPo, certainly no friend of the GOP, did a reasonably good overview of the State of the Union.
Nope, as I already stated, the poll was produced by a democrat outfit.
As such, the results must be lies.
Why do you believe democrat lies so readily?
Is it that they appeal to your own inner bias?
Perhaps you yourself are actually some form of closet democrat?
You mean that part where whoever wrote this mentions Dan Rather, with the word “perhaps” in prominent proximity?
That’s it? Is this the fact that’s supposed to rock me back on my heels in flabbergastedness? If the nation is seething in rage over that incident, it sure has escaped the attention of, well, just about everybody.
And the Lincoln Bedroom “scandal”? Wasn’t that Horndog Bill? Reaching back quite a ways for your topical scandals, aren’t you, Slick? Why leave out the disgraceful pardon of whats-his-face, which is still on the forefront of everyone’s mind these days. You can hardly have a political discussion without someone bringing up the disgraceful pardon of whats-his-face. Well, maybe it’s bubbling just under the surface.
Throw an election, seriously? Do you even remember what the actual story was about, or is “Dan Rather bad man” just an article of faith among conservatives now?
Well, #1 I’m not a conservative. But many of the OP’s poll respondents were, so you’d have to ask them.
I remember exactly what the story was about. They reported as fact, an apparently fabricated a memo that implied that W was AWOL or otherwise neglected to fulfill his NGB service, during the presidential campaign, in light of significant evidence to the contrary. Intentionally. Hell they even made a JibJab spoof about it. If you don’t think that’s about as bad as it gets for the news, if you don’t think that’s a convenient soundbite that talk radio will harp on for years, then I’m afraid you might be too naive for this conversation.
Evidently, some of the misguided youths on this thread believe that that incident is no worse, or less worse even, than Fox’s Chris Wallace interviewing someone who claimed that the VA maintains cost-benefit guidance on end-of-life care decisions, or that some Fox bimbette reporter wrote that the Obama ‘plan’ (from which we were to infer ‘budget’) was 3x the size of W’s, instead of the deficit being 3x the size.
Yes, questions about whether George W. Bush fulfilled his service obligations in the National Guard. 30 years earlier. Not exactly the end of democracy as we know it.
And yet, heads rolled at CBS News. Of the inaccuaracies from Fox, how many have they even admitted to, much less held anybody accountable?
You are all trying to identify apparent misdeeds by Fox News as justification for the highly publicized scandals by what righties would call The Mainstream Media.
The problem is, as has been alluded to before, it’s not a matter of keeping score through some mystery algorithm to decide who is most trustworthy, then complaining that your side isn’t coming out on top. If the OP were about that, then some of you would have a point. It’s not though.
It’s all about public perception. That’s what the OP was talking about, and that’s what my response was aimed towards. The perception is that those incidents by CBS and CNN were far and away worse than any crimes you suspect Fox has committed. That’s not me saying that, that’s the public (I assume, as I’d have a hard time finding another justification… if anyone has other ideas, let’s hear them).
And back to a point I made earlier about the anecdotal stories, your worldview doesn’t believe that sullying those other networks is justified (or more likely, you are just pissed that your anti-christ network came out on top). And that’s OK. But most of America does feel it is justified - they feel that trying to throw an election to their guy is as bad as it gets, and they will evidently punish CBS (and by association, the rest of the legacy networks) for a long time, by fining them credibility points.
Is that reasonable? I don’t know, but the only objective measure of what the public feels is reasonable is the public’s opinion. For that, go back to post #1.
I can see your pretty serious here, Smashy. Put on your cleats, your pads, your helmet, you really want to be taken seriously here. You got some of the form down, but you’re missing the content. Humming the tune isn’t singing the song, you gotta know the lyrics.
Case in exasperating point: all you got about how serious the public takes Rathergate is some guy speculating about why CBS is so lowly regarded by the right. See, thats why that word “perhaps” is there, it serves a purpose, its not a word that was wandering across the page and fell in.
You are attempting to sell us the castle you built on speculative quicksand. Our experience is that those structures burn down, fall over and sink into the swamp.
