# This has to stop: extreme actions at political gathering **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 24, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927 "2019-11-24T19:15:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/381 "2019-11-29T23:35:34Z")
> [@](#): > > …[probably to harass me in some way]… And, if they weren’t? Have you ever experienced anyone being afraid of you for no good reason? ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/382 "2019-11-29T23:41:11Z")
Hey, look at that! Octopus didn’t address a damned one of my questions, continued with the charade that “clearing the roads of foolish fools” doesn’t involve violence, compared my anger at his shitty attitude toward soldiers is like getting upset at an ice cream machine that doesn’t function—and I’m sure he’ll say he DIDN’T compare them, waaaaaaaah------and then blocked me. Without addressing any of my direct questions. I forgot. Quoting verbatim is apparently evil if you ask Repubs to explain anything they said. Now asking questions is off limits? My, what a delicate flower. I’m sure he’d do wonderfully on the Psyop course. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/383 "2019-11-30T00:04:27Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Hey, look at that! Octopus didn’t address a damned one of my questions, continued with the charade that “clearing the roads of foolish fools” doesn’t involve violence, compared my anger at his shitty attitude toward soldiers is like getting upset at an ice cream machine that doesn’t function—and I’m sure he’ll say he DIDN’T compare them, waaaaaaaah------and then blocked me. > > Without addressing any of my direct questions. > > I forgot. Quoting verbatim is apparently evil if you ask Repubs to explain anything they said. Now asking questions is off limits? > > My, what a delicate flower. I’m sure he’d do wonderfully on the Psyop course. I answered your so-called direct questions which you interspersed in your ramblings. You don’t like the answer so you concoct some fiction and ascribe it to me. ☹ Now I need to google psyop course to see if I need to be offended. Oh, and how did I block you? ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/384 "2019-11-30T00:17:27Z")
You didn’t answer a single one of my questions. Not one. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/385 "2019-11-30T00:22:25Z")
Yes I did. You just don’t accept the answer. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/386 "2019-11-30T00:24:39Z")
For a good half hour, Octopus’ replies disappeared completely. No “you have put this use on your ignore list”------just gone. Every single one. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/387 "2019-11-30T00:55:49Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I’ll say it since BPC can’t: Fuck you and fuck your family and friends, asshole. ??? > [@Bullitt](#): > > Lovely. and confusing. Took me awhile to figure out what “BPC” meant but I see Budget Player got banned. Not sure what my family and friends had to do with it but that’s who I chose to spend time with on Thanksgiving. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/388 "2019-11-30T01:07:57Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I’d have to say that’s not really a cool thing to say, even as an insult, in a discussion, albeit a BBQ Pit discussion, about someone who was killed with a vehicle used as the weapon. I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Nobody was killed by a vehicle. And the statement “best of luck playing in traffic” is not an endorsement to play in traffic. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/389 "2019-11-30T02:55:01Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You’re the one who wished harm or death upon another poster. > > We all know what “go play in traffic” means–you’re not fooling anyone. > > You’re the one in this thread defending vehicular assault. And now you want people in the thread to “play in traffic.” You don’t get to pretend to have the moral high ground. I never said that. I said “best of luck playing in traffic”. Which means I think it’s a stupid thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/390 "2019-11-30T03:01:16Z")
And I haven’t defended vehicular assault. That involves causing injury. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/391 "2019-11-30T03:04:55Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > For such a delicate flower you sure like to pick fights. But when you’ve got mod armor to hide behind why not? [Moderating] If you’ve got an issue with a particular moderation call, the place to discuss that is ATMB, not the Pit. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/392 "2019-11-30T05:13:08Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > And I haven’t defended vehicular assault. That involves causing injury. No, it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/393 "2019-11-30T05:35:42Z")
> [@](#): > > “In some jurisdictions assault is defined as the threat of bodily harm that reasonably causes fear of harm in the victim while battery is the actual physical impact on another person. If the victim has not actually been touched, but only threatened (or someone attempted to touch them), then the crime is assault.” Also, in most jurisdictions, vehicular battery is 12 volts. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/394 "2019-11-30T06:17:06Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Yes I did. You just don’t accept the answer. No. You did not. Once again you are lying. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/395 "2019-11-30T08:33:40Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > No, it doesn’t. cite ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/396 "2019-11-30T09:38:02Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > cite That’s not how the burden of proof works, genius. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/397 "2019-11-30T09:50:48Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > :dubious: Well, you started your OP with a link to an extremely controversial right-wing media site and a paraphrase of the site’s gloating headline, _“An Antifa guy tried blocking someone’s car, smacks the car with a bat or pipe. It did not end well for him.”_ And even the nature of the incident allegedly being documented in the video is controversial, in that apparently neither you, nor your cite, nor anybody else has managed to come up with any other information about this alleged incident. You didn’t see the obviously controversial nature of this material as a topic for a thread? Really? Of course it is controversial — both people in the video went overboard, and this needs to stop. Then the posts started getting into these rants, pretty quickly, and the thread got moved to the Pit (from MPSIMS). Great. People rant more and start calling each other names, like junior high. Lovely. My message was that, whatever your side, whatever your views, don’t block or whack at cars or don’t beat up the guy who does. > [@Kimstu](#): > > But you don’t seem to consider that “going overboard” includes driving a vehicle into protestors blocking roads, or beating people up. Yes these are definitely overboard. On both sides. > [@Kimstu](#): > > If you seriously thought that your highly selective view on which of the actions in your linked video qualify as “going overboard” isn’t controversial, well, that seems pretty naive. If, on the other hand, you were thinking that you’d plausibly be able to blame the reaction to your controversial OP on someone else, well, nice try. > Hmm. Ninja’d. Both people acted extremely. I guess part of me felt like the pedestrian barked up the wrong tree but no, the driver’s actions were also extreme and wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/398 "2019-11-30T10:06:54Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Yes these are definitely overboard. On both sides. Are you claiming that both are _equally_ “overboard”? Please be clear, because I could say that stepping on someone’s foot and cutting off that same foot hurts that person, but to equate the two actions would still be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/399 "2019-11-30T11:02:38Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > I made my point in the OP, to let’s not go overboard. And then things… went overboard. And what was that point? Did Tim McVeigh “go overboard” when he murdered hundreds? How about the right-wingers who have stabbed and shot American Muslims, with what they view as Trump’s encouragement? Did they “go overboard”? No. You focus on a pedestrian (so-called “antifa”) who slapped a car that almost ran the pedestrian over. (The content of your post was irrelevant, of course, once we saw the [Redstate.com](http://Redstate.com) source.) “You too!” we hear you whine. “Sure we shoot and stab a few Muslims but we’re trying to Make America Great Again! And anyway — YOU TOO! One of the Trump-haters slapped an automobile!!!” And — _ **serious question** _ — what IS with the [Redstate.Com](http://Redstate.Com)? Is this where you get your facts? Accidental click from Facebook? How can we take you seriously if you can’t answer this question? > [@Bullitt](#): > > … but no, the driver’s actions were also extreme and wrong. Oh. Well, OK then! I suppose Tim McVeigh’s actions were also extreme and wrong. _But boy, that “antifa” pedestrian really got your blood boiling._ ETA: @ **Bullitt** — Calm down, don’t let anger drown out my message. Read this post while looking in a mirror and imagining yourself to be a reasonable humane person. Tell us what you see. Thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/400 "2019-11-30T13:57:27Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I never said that. I said “best of luck playing in traffic”. Which means I think it’s a stupid thing to do. There you have it, folks, the conservative mind. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927.md?page=21)