# This has to stop: extreme actions at political gathering **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 24, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927 "2019-11-24T19:15:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/521 "2019-12-08T23:00:08Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > …has anyone provided context for that video yet? From what I gather I’m pretty sure Stickman was originally trying to do a Singing in the Rain routine, using the stick as a sort of twirly umbrella/prop thingie, when Car Dude decided to give him a little love-nudge with his bumper in hopes of seeing something more Fosse-like. Stanley Donen can suck it. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/522 "2019-12-09T04:06:43Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Learn history they said. It won’t lead to existential despair and repeated forehead injuries they said. Yeah, even worse are the _Russian_ Nazis. It’s like chickens for Colonel Sanders, for fuck’s sake. Must be fetal alcohol syndrome. Used to live in Moscow, and the drunkenness was…Well, if you’re going to do something, do it, right, I guess? Even then there were guys drinking vodka for breakfast, and the life expectancy was at about 60 for Russian men. Polish Nazis, though. I hate that I feel grateful my folks are gone. It’d kill Dad, those “fine people” being defended by the President. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/523 "2019-12-09T14:11:45Z")
It appears that the central engines of the Russian economy are vodka and apathy. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/524 "2019-12-09T14:58:27Z")
It is not apathy. It is a third thing. To understand it, you must go to Wisconsin in April, where the trees are brown, the sky is an afterthought and the snow lies around in a limp and dirty taunt. So you go into a supper club, but the dining room does not open for another 45 minutes, so go to the bar and have a beer, sitting next to that one guy who just ordered more for himself and for his 14y/o daughter. Then you understand this feeling, the sense of resignation that staves off the suffocating despair of this monochromatic kafkaesque reality, and in this moment of evading the crushing sole of the universe, it becomes obvious that prohibition was a most vile crime against humanity. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/525 "2019-12-09T16:18:54Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > You are the reason Individual-ONE says that we have to flush 10 to 15 times, you entitled sack of effluent. Your number one job as a driver is not to run into stuff. Doing it on purpose is a massive failure of your ability to understand what you are not supposed to run into. It takes him fifteen times to find the handle. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/526 "2019-12-09T16:43:42Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > [Here 'tis!](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=707319) > > CMC fnord! Holy shit, this REMF thinks he gets to hold forth on “assets” and this “type of thing”? What a slap in the face to Chris Stevens and the people of Libya. The “looters” cited in that batshit Forbes article----since when does Forbes let a climate change denialist nutjob write editorials?----were looking for Stevens specifically to save him. He loved the Middle East, spoke fluent Arabic, and he was very popular among the local population. The doctors tried for two hours to save him. Fox News ran a clip of Libyans carrying Stevens’ body to a truck as if they were desecrating his body. There were no ambulances. This is the kind of shit that feeds these paranoid motherfuckers’ fantasies of guys with sticks being more dangerous than guys driving trucks. For fuck’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/527 "2019-12-09T18:00:28Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > They have 'em everywhere. Even here in the US. > > Ya know, “very fine people”, who run people over in cars, like in Charlottesville. Yes. The fuckers are everywhere. As long as some guy kicks the shit out of them EVERY time they start their shit - and yes THEY always start the shit - I’m good with it. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/528 "2019-12-09T19:12:20Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > It is not apathy. It is a third thing. To understand it, you must go to Wisconsin in April, where the trees are brown, the sky is an afterthought and the snow lies around in a limp and dirty taunt. So you go into a supper club, but the dining room does not open for another 45 minutes, so go to the bar and have a beer, sitting next to that one guy who just ordered more for himself and for his 14y/o daughter. > > Then you understand this feeling, the sense of resignation that staves off the suffocating despair of this monochromatic kafkaesque reality, and in this moment of evading the crushing sole of the universe, it becomes obvious that prohibition was a most vile crime against humanity. That was beautiful, my man/woman. And true to life, too - it’s not so much apathy as a kind of permanent merrily-blow-your-brains-out despair kept at shaking arm’s length by 120° proof wood alcohol. Finns get that too. Do _not_ talk to a Finn after they’ve had one of their trademark blacker-than-a-cat’s-soul coffee, under any circumstance - talking to a sober Finn is an existential threat to the psyche of everyone around. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/529 "2019-12-09T20:02:53Z")
A common misconception is that Russians drink because they are callous alcoholics. Not true. They drink because their souls are thirsty. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/530 "2019-12-09T20:31:19Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > It is not apathy. It is a third thing. To understand it, you must go to Wisconsin in April, where the trees are brown, the sky is an afterthought and the snow lies around in a limp and dirty taunt. So you go into a supper club, but the dining room does not open for another 45 minutes, so go to the bar and have a beer, sitting next to that one guy who just ordered more for himself and for his 14y/o daughter. > > Then you understand this feeling, the sense of resignation that staves off the suffocating despair of this monochromatic kafkaesque reality, and in this moment of evading the crushing sole of the universe, it becomes obvious that prohibition was a most vile crime against humanity. “Dim Lights, Small City.” Move the fuck over, Jay McInnerny. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/531 "2019-12-15T18:44:40Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Yes, vehicles can be used effectively as weapons. But until they’re used as weapons they’re vehicles. The same goes for the stick. It’s just a stick until you start hitting things with it. Then it becomes a weapon. Uh, no. A vehicle is a deadly weapon, period, because of its size and speed. You REALLY want to run people over, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/532 "2019-12-15T19:51:16Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Uh, no. A vehicle is a deadly weapon, period, because of its size and speed. that statement makes no sense. A vehicle is a mode of transportation. It’s not designed as a weapon. Any object can be weaponized but that doesn’t make it a weapon. A sharpened pencil makes a great weapon if used as one. So does a stick. if you meant to say the mass and speed of a vehicle CAN be used effectively as a weapon then that is an accurate statement. But millions of people drive every day and use their cars they are intended to be used. As transportation. > [@margin](#): > > You REALLY want to run people over, don’t you? No. What a nonsense and hateful thing to say. Hatred is the driving force behind many confrontations and nothing good comes fro it. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/533 "2019-12-15T21:39:50Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > that statement makes no sense. A vehicle is a mode of transportation. It’s not designed as a weapon. > > Any object can be weaponized but that doesn’t make it a weapon. A sharpened pencil makes a great weapon if used as one. So does a stick. > > if you meant to say the mass and speed of a vehicle CAN be used effectively as a weapon then that is an accurate statement. But millions of people drive every day and use their cars they are intended to be used. As transportation. > No. What a nonsense and hateful thing to say. > > Hatred is the driving force behind many confrontations and nothing good comes fro it. YOU’RE the one arguing that the guy in the vehicle was the victim. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/534 "2019-12-15T22:07:25Z")
> [@margin](#): > > YOU’RE the one arguing that the guy in the vehicle was the victim. From the view that masked stick man is blocking him and continues to do so even after the verbal confrontation, absolutely. What does that have to do with your statement that vehicles are weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/535 "2019-12-16T05:34:59Z")
But when you look at the big picture, it wasn’t [really much of a thing.](https://youtu.be/y6H-FBsMKks?t=5364) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/536 "2019-12-16T06:56:27Z")
The instant the driver touched his weapon (actually, the instant he aimed his vehicle purposely at) a pedestrian is the instant the vehicle became a weapon. Your pretense otherwise is no different than saying that if I were to hold an unloaded weapon to your head to get you to do something I am not using a deadly weapon. Your pretense otherwise is, at best, disingenuous at best. **margin** has you pegged, dead on. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/537 "2019-12-16T09:44:20Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > that statement makes no sense. A vehicle is a mode of transportation. It’s not designed as a weapon. > > Any object can be weaponized but that doesn’t make it a weapon. A sharpened pencil makes a great weapon if used as one. So does a stick. > > if you meant to say the mass and speed of a vehicle CAN be used effectively as a weapon then that is an accurate statement. But millions of people drive every day and use their cars they are intended to be used. As transportation. > No. What a nonsense and hateful thing to say. > > Hatred is the driving force behind many confrontations and nothing good comes fro it. You REALLY don’t want to admit that the very definition YOU use of “weapon” applies 100% to the vehicle as well, do you? ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/538 "2019-12-16T19:33:49Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > From the view that masked stick man is blocking him and continues to do so even after the verbal confrontation, absolutely. What does that have to do with your statement that vehicles are weapons. Seriously, dude, are you lying? Or are you stupid? If I hit somebody over the head with a frying pan I don’t get to call it cooking. You keep describing this dickhead driver as the victim as he pushes a 200-lb., man down with a 4,500-lb vehicle. Scary thing is, this really provides a vivid example of how conservatives view the world. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/WxlS79Q3EXk/maxresdefault.jpg "LOL: Pastor Fails Miserably When Interviewed By Court About How He Spends The Ministry's Funds!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxlS79Q3EXk) The lies told on behalf of this guy are very similar to the way the guy in the video tries to slither out of accountability. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/539 "2019-12-17T02:01:56Z")
_I mucked up the post a little bit, but people with normal reading comprehension would have no problem with parsing it the way I intended. On the other hand, there’s Magiver, so here’s a corrected version._ > [@Monty](#): > > The instant the driver touched the pedestrian with his vehicle (actually, the instant he aimed his vehicle purposely at a pedestrian) is the instant the vehicle became a weapon. Your pretense otherwise is no different than saying that if I were to hold an unloaded weapon to your head to get you to do something I am not using a deadly weapon. Your pretense otherwise is, at best, disingenuous. > > **margin** has you pegged, dead on. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/540 "2019-12-20T20:28:05Z")
A new hero for the right! > **[Iowa woman drove over teen because she was Latina, police say](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/iowa-woman-drove-over-teen-because-she-was-latina-police-n1105886)** > > Nicole Marie Poole Franklin "told investigators that she ran the girl over because, in her words, she was Mexican," the police chief said. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927.md?page=28)