# This has to stop: extreme actions at political gathering **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 24, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927 "2019-11-24T19:15:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/541 "2019-12-20T20:48:25Z")
Fortunately, there doesn’t seem to be a crowdfunded defense fund for her. Yet. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/542 "2019-12-20T21:11:10Z")
Great. What a wonderful world this place can be. And, I’m a gun owner and generally support the 2D Amendment, but here’s a case where someone cannot control their anger and used her Jeep Grand Cherokee against that teenager. Imagine if many (most) people were armed? No thank you. I’ve attended concealed carry classes in different states and seen other classmates at the range with me, and I don’t believe incompetent idiots like that have a _right_ to carry. Let alone, who knows how well they can control their anger? OK, don’t get me started. I didn’t mean to hijack this wonderful thread. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/543 "2019-12-20T22:28:08Z")
I don’t want to read all 11 pages, but has there been any actual context or an law enforcement investigation into the video? Because I really don’t want to read 540+ posts of speculation, guessing, and inane arguments without actual evidence beyond an unsourced, uninvestigated video. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/544 "2019-12-20T22:49:17Z")
I only have three pages, not 11. You need to set your view to 200 posts per page. 🙂 I haven’t read all three pages either. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/545 "2019-12-20T23:07:11Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > I’ve attended concealed carry classes in different states and seen other classmates at the range with me, and I don’t believe incompetent idiots like that have a _right_ to carry. Ditto. Also the instructor basically cheating to “help” the old man who had a condition that had his hands shaking so badly he couldn’t hit a target literally 3 feet in front of him. I feel for him, but he doesn’t need to be handling a gun at all, much less getting a concealed license. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/546 "2019-12-20T23:09:05Z")
> [@margin](#): > > A Polish…\*Nazi? \* > [@Kobal2](#): > > Learn history they said. It won’t lead to existential despair and repeated forehead injuries they said. > [@margin](#): > > Yeah, even worse are the _Russian_ Nazis. It’s like chickens for Colonel Sanders, for fuck’s sake. My “favorites” are the [Mongolian environmentalist Nazis](https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2013/07/a-mongolian-neo-nazi-environmentalist-walks-into-a-lingerie-store-in-ulan-bator/100547/). It’s a strange old world. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/547 "2019-12-20T23:11:22Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > _I mucked up the post a little bit, but people with normal reading comprehension would have no problem with parsing it the way I intended. On the other hand, there’s Magiver, so here’s a corrected version._ In the video the masked person walks toward the car. The driver attempts to pull away from the curb and then swings back when the masked person refuses to give way. The aggressive person is the masked guy who blocks the driver and continues to do so after the verbal confrontation. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/548 "2019-12-20T23:57:25Z")
Hmmmm. So you really ARE that much of a fucking idiot. OK then. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/549 "2019-12-21T00:31:59Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > My “favorites” are the [Mongolian environmentalist Nazis](https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2013/07/a-mongolian-neo-nazi-environmentalist-walks-into-a-lingerie-store-in-ulan-bator/100547/). It’s a strange old world. Jesus fucking Christ, I got a headache just trying to balance all those qualifiers. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/550 "2019-12-21T00:48:53Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Also the instructor basically cheating to “help” the old man… WOW. I’ve never seen that, though I don’t doubt that happens. Great, I feel safer already. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/551 "2019-12-21T00:49:18Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > In the video the masked person walks toward the car. The driver attempts to pull away from the curb and then swings back when the masked person refuses to give way. > > The aggressive person is the masked guy who blocks the driver and continues to do so after the verbal confrontation. Are you lying or stupid? Or just the world’s whiniest whinyass tittybaby weenus? Are Repubs REALLY this wimpy and terrified of everything? Gotta carry guns everywhere, so terrified of pedestrians they try to protest that a stick is a more dangerous weapon than a 4,500-lb. vehicle. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/552 "2019-12-21T04:24:54Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > My “favorites” are the [Mongolian environmentalist Nazis](https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2013/07/a-mongolian-neo-nazi-environmentalist-walks-into-a-lingerie-store-in-ulan-bator/100547/). It’s a strange old world. OK, that’s my “too fuckin’ weird” for the day. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/553 "2019-12-21T06:49:59Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > In the video the masked person walks toward the car. The driver attempts to pull away from the curb and then swings back when the masked person refuses to give way. > > The aggressive person is the masked guy who blocks the driver and continues to do so after the verbal confrontation. Wow. If stupidity were fuel, you could power a major city for generations. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Hmmmm. So you really ARE that much of a fucking idiot. > > OK then. Yep. He is. > [@margin](#): > > Are you lying or stupid? Or just the world’s whiniest whinyass tittybaby weenus? > > Are Repubs REALLY this wimpy and terrified of everything? Gotta carry guns everywhere, so terrified of pedestrians they try to protest that a stick is a more dangerous weapon than a 4,500-lb. vehicle. Rhetorical questions, right? > [@Kobal2](#): > > OK, that’s my “too fuckin’ weird” for the day. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/554 "2019-12-21T07:30:39Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Wow. If stupidity were fuel, you could power a major city for generations. > > Yep. He is. > > Rhetorical questions, right? No, I want a fuckin’ answer, and I’m fuckin’ sick and tired of how Repubs get to repeatedly and constantly pull this shit. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/555 "2019-12-21T07:34:55Z")
> [@margin](#): > > No, I want a fuckin’ answer, and I’m fuckin’ sick a\*\*\*\*nd tired of how Repubs get to repeatedly and constantly pull this shit. I’m very sorry the phenomenon brings you so much distress, **margin**. You might not be in the mood to look for silver linings, but this does leave you free to draw your own conclusions… ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/556 "2019-12-21T07:42:59Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Are you lying or stupid? Or just the world’s whiniest whinyass tittybaby weenus? > > Are Repubs REALLY this wimpy and terrified of everything? Gotta carry guns everywhere, so terrified of pedestrians they try to protest that a stick is a more dangerous weapon than a 4,500-lb. vehicle. Woe be Republicans when the VIOLENT LEFT start to use the same tactics against “conservatives” that righties use against people who annoy them. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/557 "2019-12-21T07:46:01Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Jesus fucking Christ, I got a headache just trying to balance all those qualifiers. Well, that would be because **Tamerlane** meant to write ‘Mongolian “environmentalist” nazis’, if the story’s slant is accurate. The name of their group appears to translate to “White Swan”, if that means anything. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/558 "2019-12-21T15:54:47Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Are you lying or stupid? Or just the world’s whiniest whinyass tittybaby weenus? > > Are Repubs REALLY this wimpy and terrified of everything? Gotta carry guns everywhere, so terrified of pedestrians they try to protest that a stick is a more dangerous weapon than a 4,500-lb. vehicle. All you’re doing is calling me names and throwing politics into it. The name calling indicates you don’t have control of your emotions. The politics is just pointless. Gun owners exist in large numbers by members of all parties. There were no guns involved in the video yet you felt the need to bring it up. What you’re doing is projecting your preconceived prejudices on a complete stranger. I didn’t make an argument that a stick is more dangerous a weapon than a 4,500 lb car. That’s a strawman argument you’re making and frankly a poor one at that. A stick is a stick until it’s used as a weapon. A car is transportation until it’s used as a weapon. Whether one is a better weapon than the other is irrelevant to the discussion. In this case the driver was in his vehicle for the purposes of transportation. We don’t know why Stickman was wearing a mask and carrying a stick. he doesn’t appear lame so it’s not as a walking stick. But it’s just a stick until it’s used as a weapon. It’s reasonable to assume the mask is to hide his face so he can’t be identified. So either he’s very shy or doesn’t want to be identified by the police. regardless of why he was carrying a stick it became a weapon when he used it to damage the car. Clearly the mask wearing/stick carrying/traffic blocking man isn’t happy that his continued attempts at blocking the car go unheeded. But the driver pulls away from the curb slowly giving him the opportunity to cease his activity unharmed. And he was unharmed until he damaged the vehicle. He elevated it to a fist fight and lost. None of this would have occurred had he not started the harassment in the first place. So not only was the vehicle not used to harm him his own weapon was taken from him and thrown away. He should be grateful it wasn’t used on him. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/559 "2019-12-21T19:35:23Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > So not only was the vehicle not used to harm him his own weapon was taken from him and thrown away. He should be grateful it wasn’t used on him. Is there any further discussion to be had with this loathsome piece of shit? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/560 "2019-12-21T19:56:09Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > regardless of why he was carrying a stick it became a weapon when he used it to damage the car. Clearly the mask wearing/stick carrying/traffic blocking man isn’t happy that his continued attempts at blocking the car go unheeded. But the driver pulls away from the curb slowly giving him the opportunity to cease his activity unharmed. And he was unharmed until he damaged the vehicle. He elevated it to a fist fight and lost. None of this would have occurred had he not started the harassment in the first place. > > So not only was the vehicle not used to harm him his own weapon was taken from him and thrown away. He should be grateful it wasn’t used on him. regardless of why he was in the car it became a weapon when he used it to hit the pedestrian. Clearly the driver isn’t happy that his continued attempts to push the pedestrian into traffic go unheeded. And the vehicle (and everyone involved) was unharmed until he got out and assaulted the pedestrian. The guy IN the vehicle, SAFE from physical harm, elevated the situation from words to physical action. Then he elevated it again. Please, continue your defense. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927.md?page=29)