# This has to stop: extreme actions at political gathering **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 24, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927 "2019-11-24T19:15:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/561 "2019-12-22T07:10:54Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > All you’re doing is calling me names and throwing politics into it. The name calling indicates you don’t have control of your emotions. The politics is just pointless. Gun owners exist in large numbers by members of all parties. There were no guns involved in the video yet you felt the need to bring it up. What you’re doing is projecting your preconceived prejudices on a complete stranger. > > I didn’t make an argument that a stick is more dangerous a weapon than a 4,500 lb car. That’s a strawman argument you’re making and frankly a poor one at that. > > A stick is a stick until it’s used as a weapon. A car is transportation until it’s used as a weapon. Whether one is a better weapon than the other is irrelevant to the discussion. > > In this case the driver was in his vehicle for the purposes of transportation. We don’t know why Stickman was wearing a mask and carrying a stick. he doesn’t appear lame so it’s not as a walking stick. But it’s just a stick until it’s used as a weapon. It’s reasonable to assume the mask is to hide his face so he can’t be identified. So either he’s very shy or doesn’t want to be identified by the police. > > regardless of why he was carrying a stick it became a weapon when he used it to damage the car. Clearly the mask wearing/stick carrying/traffic blocking man isn’t happy that his continued attempts at blocking the car go unheeded. But the driver pulls away from the curb slowly giving him the opportunity to cease his activity unharmed. And he was unharmed until he damaged the vehicle. He elevated it to a fist fight and lost. None of this would have occurred had he not started the harassment in the first place. > > So not only was the vehicle not used to harm him his own weapon was taken from him and thrown away. He should be grateful it wasn’t used on him. There’s nothing in the video that indicates that the man with the stick is the original antagonist. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/562 "2019-12-22T12:47:48Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > There’s nothing in the video that indicates that the man with the stick is the original antagonist. And even if he were, how is using a car as a weapon proportionate? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/563 "2019-12-22T15:34:40Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Hmmmm. So you really ARE that much of a fucking idiot. > > OK then. I thought that had already been determined. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/564 "2019-12-22T15:36:07Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Are you lying or stupid? Or just the world’s whiniest whinyass tittybaby weenus? > > Are Repubs REALLY this wimpy and terrified of everything? Gotta carry guns everywhere, so terrified of pedestrians they try to protest that a stick is a more dangerous weapon than a 4,500-lb. vehicle. Bunch of fucking wussy babies. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/565 "2019-12-22T16:01:36Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > So not only was the vehicle not used to harm him his own weapon was taken from him and thrown away. He should be grateful it wasn’t used on him. Hell, he was lucky the driver didn’t stand his ground and put a cap in his ass. Amarite? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/566 "2019-12-22T20:06:13Z")
You irrational dummies still don’t understand why advocating political violence as you all do leads to escalation and vast cognitive dissonance. How do you think political rallies in 2020 are going to go? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/567 "2019-12-22T20:37:21Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You irrational dummies still don’t understand why advocating political violence as you all do leads to escalation and vast cognitive dissonance. How do you think political rallies in 2020 are going to go? Who the fuck is advocating political violence in this thread, other than the posters who are saying that it is ok to shove 200lb protesters out of the way with two-ton vehicles? ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/568 "2019-12-22T20:42:12Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Who the fuck is advocating political violence in this thread, other than the posters who are saying that it is ok to shove 200lb protesters out of the way with two-ton vehicles? Octopus still hasn’t answered the questions on page three or mine. Republicans are the sort of guys who you can imagine saying, “Her face attacked my fists!” These assholes are basically saying that that that mean pedestrian attacked the poor Trumper’s truck with his bellybutton or something. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/569 "2019-12-23T06:50:54Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You irrational dummies still don’t understand why advocating political violence as you all do leads to escalation and vast cognitive dissonance. How do you think political rallies in 2020 are going to go? Advocating? Who is advocating? Except the people defending scared little righties that hit their opponents with vehicles, of course. We’re just pointing out that celebrating and defending those actions can have a negative effect, if the other side decides to finally get in the gutter with you. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/570 "2019-12-23T15:19:15Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > How do you think political rallies in 2020 are going to go? About the same as in 2016. Trump will continue to encourage violence at his rallies. But continue to wring your hands in faux concern. Imbecile. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/571 "2019-12-23T15:30:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You irrational dummies still don’t understand why advocating political violence as you all do leads to escalation and vast cognitive dissonance. How do you think political rallies in 2020 are going to go? _ **This has to stop: extreme actions at political gathering** _ Here is a simple question for you: What political gathering did this happen at? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/572 "2019-12-24T07:54:46Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > _ **This has to stop: extreme actions at political gathering** _ > > Here is a simple question for you: What political gathering did this happen at? [here you go](https://krdo.com/news/2019/11/27/viral-video-of-pueblo-fight-warps-into-right-wing-propaganda/): _According to Pueblo police, the driver told officers the altercation started because the masked pedestrian was blocking drivers from turning west onto 4th Street if they weren’t using a turn signal._ ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/573 "2019-12-24T10:33:16Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > [here you go](https://krdo.com/news/2019/11/27/viral-video-of-pueblo-fight-warps-into-right-wing-propaganda/): > > _According to Pueblo police, the driver told officers the altercation started because the masked pedestrian was blocking drivers from turning west onto 4th Street if they weren’t using a turn signal._ I am shocked, SHOCKED to find bullshit premises going on in this established thread. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/574 "2019-12-24T16:31:53Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > [here you go](https://krdo.com/news/2019/11/27/viral-video-of-pueblo-fight-warps-into-right-wing-propaganda/): > > _According to Pueblo police, the driver told officers the altercation started because the masked pedestrian was blocking drivers from turning west onto 4th Street if they weren’t using a turn signal._ I think that is not the same incident as what the OP posted about. Your incident involves a driver punching out someone, and the OP’s was about a driver pushing someone with a vehicle. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/575 "2019-12-24T17:16:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I think that is not the same incident as what the OP posted about. Your incident involves a driver punching out someone, and the OP’s was about a driver pushing someone with a vehicle. Have a closer look. It’s one and the same. And the “stick” is an umbrella. And it was not used in hitting the vehicle as it was tucked into the pedestrians backpack and fell out. The pedestrian did hit the door of the truck with his fist after being shoved by the moving vehicle. I too am shocked, disappointed and deeply saddened that right-wing groups would use lies, damned lies and propaganda in such an obviously manipulative manner to rally rubes and racists to their cause. I look forward to the forthcoming apology from **Magiver** and **Octopus**. I’m sure they will be along any minute to offer their sincere regrets at having been so obviously manipulated by questionable sources. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/576 "2019-12-24T17:20:34Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Have a closer look. It’s one and the same. And the “stick” is an umbrella. And it was not used in hitting the vehicle as it was tucked into the pedestrians backpack and fell out. The pedestrian did hit the door of the truck with his fist after being shoved by the moving vehicle. > > I too am shocked, disappointed and deeply saddened that right-wing groups would use lies, damned lies and propaganda in such an obviously manipulative manner to rally rubes and racists to their cause. Thank you for the clarification. What we have learned from this thread is: _Lying Liars Lie_. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/577 "2019-12-24T17:20:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I think that is not the same incident as what the OP posted about. Your incident involves a driver punching out someone, and the OP’s was about a driver pushing someone with a vehicle. It is the same incident. The link I posted there I got off the very page that was linked to in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/578 "2019-12-24T17:27:25Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Thank you for the clarification. > What we have learned from this thread is: _Lying Liars Lie_. Let’s also give the ever willing enablers credit where credit is due. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/579 "2019-12-24T17:55:07Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Have a closer look. It’s one and the same. And the “stick” is an umbrella. And it was not used in hitting the vehicle as it was tucked into the pedestrians backpack and fell out. The pedestrian did hit the door of the truck with his fist after being shoved by the moving vehicle. Don’t let that sarcasm muss your hair as it sails past overhead, friend. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/580 "2019-12-24T18:47:33Z")
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