# This has to stop: extreme actions at political gathering **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 24, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927 "2019-11-24T19:15:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/581 "2019-12-24T18:50:31Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Don’t let that sarcasm muss your hair as it sails past overhead, friend. D’oh! :smack: Goddamn **Czarcasm**. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/582 "2019-12-24T19:14:31Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I look forward to the forthcoming apology from **Magiver** and **Octopus**. I’m sure they will be along any minute to offer their sincere regrets at having been so obviously manipulated by questionable sources. I, too, will look forward to it, which I’m certain will happen with the utmost celerity. I in fact pledge to hold my breath until it happens. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/583 "2019-12-24T19:25:28Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > I, too, will look forward to it, which I’m certain will happen with the utmost celerity. I in fact pledge to hold my breath until it happens. It was nice knowing you. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/584 "2019-12-24T19:45:04Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > I, too, will look forward to it, which I’m certain will happen with the **utmost celerity**. I in fact pledge to hold my breath until it happens. (bolding mine) When Boston psychedelic rockers Ultimate Spinach disbanded in 1969 Alan Lorber attempted to carry on under the name Utmost Celery. The band performed 4 times, including once at an International House of Pancakes in Framingham before Lorber finally threw in the towel once and for all. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/585 "2019-12-24T19:59:24Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I look forward to the forthcoming apology from … **Octopus**. If the bottom-feeding smegfart who said > [@octopus](#): > > I’m typing this extra slow for you. You are lying when you claim that I advocate political violence. Clearing the roads of foolish fools is not political violence. were to apologize, it would have to be an astoundingly good expression of penitence for any us to actually accept it. \*If anyone was offended … \* ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/586 "2019-12-25T00:28:14Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It was nice knowing you. send help ---
**Author:** ![neofishboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/neofishboy/32/444_2.png) [@neofishboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neofishboy)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/587 "2019-12-25T01:04:55Z")
"Wait … are you just holding your breath on purpose? Oh for fuck’s sake … -the paramedics ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/588 "2019-12-25T01:30:48Z")
What happened to Magiver? I don’t see any recent posts in this thread, and he hasn’t gotten into the other “vehicle as a maybe weapon” thread yet to defend the poor innocent driver. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/589 "2019-12-27T00:00:16Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > All you’re doing is calling me names and throwing politics into it. The name calling indicates you don’t have control of your emotions. The politics is just pointless. Gun owners exist in large numbers by members of all parties. There were no guns involved in the video yet you felt the need to bring it up. What you’re doing is projecting your preconceived prejudices on a complete stranger. > > I didn’t make an argument that a stick is more dangerous a weapon than a 4,500 lb car. That’s a strawman argument you’re making and frankly a poor one at that. > > A stick is a stick until it’s used as a weapon. A car is transportation until it’s used as a weapon. Whether one is a better weapon than the other is irrelevant to the discussion. > > In this case the driver was in his vehicle for the purposes of transportation. We don’t know why Stickman was wearing a mask and carrying a stick. he doesn’t appear lame so it’s not as a walking stick. But it’s just a stick until it’s used as a weapon. It’s reasonable to assume the mask is to hide his face so he can’t be identified. So either he’s very shy or doesn’t want to be identified by the police. > > regardless of why he was carrying a stick it became a weapon when he used it to damage the car. Clearly the mask wearing/stick carrying/traffic blocking man isn’t happy that his continued attempts at blocking the car go unheeded. But the driver pulls away from the curb slowly giving him the opportunity to cease his activity unharmed. And he was unharmed until he damaged the vehicle. He elevated it to a fist fight and lost. None of this would have occurred had he not started the harassment in the first place. > > So not only was the vehicle not used to harm him his own weapon was taken from him and thrown away. He should be grateful it wasn’t used on him. Nice try, asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2019, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/590 "2019-12-28T02:08:41Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > What happened to Magiver? I don’t see any recent posts in this thread, and he hasn’t gotten into the other “vehicle as a maybe weapon” thread yet to defend the poor innocent driver. Given a choice between arguing with people over the merits of standing in the middle of the road harassing people or spending time with friends and family I chose friends and family. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2019, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/591 "2019-12-28T02:27:05Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Nice try, asshole. Well that’s certainly a cogent argument to what I said. well worth the effort clicking on the thread. You should write a sequel to “how to win friends and influence people”. You could have a book signing and throw autographed copies at anyone who disagrees with you. Honestly, the behavior in this thread towards strangers explains a great deal of the hostilities in the world. It’s the reason I rarely post in the BBQ Pit and I wouldn’t have done so in this case except a moderator moved it. I thought people might benefit from a bit of civility. For the most part I was wrong. I’ll leave you to your thoughts on this. Life’s too short. I’m going to spend my weekend mingling with new people and listening to music. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2019, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/592 "2019-12-28T03:24:18Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Well that’s certainly a cogent argument to what I said. well worth the effort clicking on the thread. You should write a sequel to “how to win friends and influence people”. You could have a book signing and throw autographed copies at anyone who disagrees with you. > > Honestly, the behavior in this thread towards strangers explains a great deal of the hostilities in the world. It’s the reason I rarely post in the BBQ Pit and I wouldn’t have done so in this case except a moderator moved it. I thought people might benefit from a bit of civility. For the most part I was wrong. > > I’ll leave you to your thoughts on this. Life’s too short. I’m going to spend my weekend mingling with new people and listening to music. You can’t back up your shit, so you are running away. As usual. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2019, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/593 "2019-12-28T08:37:33Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Well that’s certainly a cogent argument to what I said. well worth the effort clicking on the thread. You should write a sequel to “how to win friends and influence people”. You could have a book signing and throw autographed copies at anyone who disagrees with you. > > Honestly, the behavior in this thread towards strangers explains a great deal of the hostilities in the world. It’s the reason I rarely post in the BBQ Pit and I wouldn’t have done so in this case except a moderator moved it. I thought people might benefit from a bit of civility. For the most part I was wrong. > > I’ll leave you to your thoughts on this. Life’s too short. I’m going to spend my weekend mingling with new people and listening to music. You have earned that, you lying shitstain. You have argued that a guy who tried to run over a pedestrian was TRULY THE REAL VICTIM repeatedly, so fwt stuffed, you sniveling, puling, whining, shit smear. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/594 "2019-12-28T17:23:18Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Have a closer look. It’s one and the same. And the “stick” is an umbrella. And it was not used in hitting the vehicle as it was tucked into the pedestrians backpack and fell out. The pedestrian did hit the door of the truck with his fist after being shoved by the moving vehicle. > > I too am shocked, disappointed and deeply saddened that right-wing groups would use lies, damned lies and propaganda in such an obviously manipulative manner to rally rubes and racists to their cause. > > I look forward to the forthcoming apology from **Magiver** and **Octopus**. I’m sure they will be along any minute to offer their sincere regrets at having been so obviously manipulated by questionable sources. Forget it. They will just keep lying. But if ANYone defends any actions taken against the Klan or Nazis or killers who hide behind “stand yur ground”, they go nuts. Violence is OK as long as its against _The Other_, but not them. Or the Klan. Or Nazis. Or Proud Boys. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/595 "2019-12-28T17:24:21Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Well that’s certainly a cogent argument to what I said. well worth the effort clicking on the thread. You should write a sequel to “how to win friends and influence people”. You could have a book signing and throw autographed copies at anyone who disagrees with you. > > Honestly, the behavior in this thread towards strangers explains a great deal of the hostilities in the world. It’s the reason I rarely post in the BBQ Pit and I wouldn’t have done so in this case except a moderator moved it. I thought people might benefit from a bit of civility. For the most part I was wrong. > > I’ll leave you to your thoughts on this. Life’s too short. I’m going to spend my weekend mingling with new people and listening to music. Good. Get the fuck out. Fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/596 "2019-12-28T17:28:19Z")
Channelling Monty Python: Brave **Magiver** ran away. Bravely ran away away! When logic reared it’s ugly head, He bravely turned his tail and fled. Yes, brave **Magiver** turned about And gallantly he chickened out. Swiftly taking to his feet, He beat a very brave retreat. Bravest of the brave, **Magiver**! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/597 "2019-12-28T17:42:04Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Honestly, the behavior in this thread towards strangers explains a great deal of the hostilities in the world. It’s the reason I rarely post in the BBQ Pit and I wouldn’t have done so in this case except a moderator moved it. I thought people might benefit from a bit of civility. For the most part I was wrong. > > I’ll leave you to your thoughts on this. Life’s too short. Convenient how you forget that civility includes admitting when you’re wrong and being mature and self-aware enough to admit it and offer an apology or retraction. It’s called personal responsibility and growth. _You_ think about that. Life’s may be too short for you in that regard. Shame. You talk a good game. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2019, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/598 "2019-12-28T22:51:24Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > {…} I’m going to spend my weekend mingling with new people and listening to music. Don’t forget to take your [DEL][COLOR=“Black”]stick[/DEL][/COLOR] umbrella! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/599 "2019-12-29T17:10:52Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Is there any further discussion to be had with this loathsome piece of shit? The question is, why after all this bullshit, he’s still allowed to post at all. He is obviously not listening or posting in good faith. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/600 "2019-12-29T17:58:13Z")
> [@margin](#): > > The question is, why after all this bullshit, he’s still allowed to post at all. He is obviously not listening or posting in good faith. Because the mods bend backwards to coddle the RWNJs here (seriously, they have to really be overt trolls or socks to get disciplined), while all one of us lefties has to do is be a little cranky a couple of times and we get warnings. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927.md?page=31)