# This has to stop: extreme actions at political gathering **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 24, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927 "2019-11-24T19:15:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/641 "2020-01-06T16:24:16Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > the additional part left out reinforces what the law states and what I have discussed. Proportional use of force. Was the person in the vehicle in “imminent” physical danger, or was he merely being inconvenienced? > [@Magiver](#): > > proportional force is exactly what it says. Proportional. > The driver reacted to what sounds like damage to his car. And in a court of law his behavior is judged on what a [reasonable person](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_person) would do. If you provoke a person into a fight and a fight ensues the fault is on the person provoking the fight. The video clearly shows the chain of events: 1. Pedestrian blocks vehicle. 2. Driver shoves pedestrian with vehicle. 3. Pedestrian gets visibly upset, comes around to the driver side of the vehicle, and assaults the vehicle by hitting the driver’s door with his hand. 4. Driver gets visibly upset, exits the vehicle and physically assaults the pedestrian. Do you agree with this chain of events as described? > [@Magiver](#): > > In this case the masked person has continued to provoke him with no apparent cause or sign he is going to stop. The driver tries to leave the area using reasoned constraint of the speed of his vehicle. It’s clear he’s not trying to cause harm by running him over and no harm is created. Now, in my opinion, between 3 and 4 (above), the driver could (and arguably should) have driven away as his way ahead was now clear of obstruction. Any “reasonable person” would have done so under the circumstances. He did not do so. He escalated the situation without imminent danger to himself and assaulted the pedestrian\*. \*I grant you that the pedestrian was being really annoying the entire time by junior copping the intersection for reasons that are not clear to us. Maybe he was mentally unstable. Maybe he or someone he knew was struck there earlier by a vehicle that failed to signal. Maybe some other reason we do not have enough information about. However, non of the above is a justification for the actions of the pedestrian. He was, without a doubt, interfering with the flow of traffic and an actual cop on the scene would have made him stop. That said, a physical assault of the pedestrian by the driver was in no way a “proportional” response. Your argument to the contrary is fabricated on a misunderstanding or intentional twisting of the facts based on motives I can only speculate about. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/642 "2020-01-06T16:52:13Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > _Blue and white?!!!_ Why has no one mentioned such a critical detail? > That changes _everything!!!_ If there’s enough resolution to see stripes, one can also see the fabric wrapped around the handle. There’s no doubt whatsoever that it’s an umbrella, and that it fell from wherever he had it fastened. Magiver needs to retract all his nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/643 "2020-01-06T20:20:07Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > the additional part left out reinforces what the law states and what I have discussed. Proportional use of force. > > proportional force is exactly what it says. Proportional. > The driver reacted to what sounds like damage to his car. And in a court of law his behavior is judged on what a [reasonable person](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_person) would do. If you provoke a person into a fight and a fight ensues the fault is on the person provoking the fight. > . [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWbwjtYCOrs) is what a reasonable person would do. Nobody gets beaten up, life goes on. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/644 "2020-01-06T22:35:44Z")
And a reasonable person would dismiss a partisan contortionist, instead of replying over and over. Even though the truth is clearly not having any effect. _That’s_ why those types love this message board, they know they can get dozens of rational people all worked up. And apparently, this is entertainment for them, and… what, they get Internet Points? ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/645 "2020-01-06T23:10:06Z")
How the fuck are you morons all still arguing about this? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/646 "2020-01-06T23:23:52Z")
I suppose it had to be said. (Is this my first contribution to this thread? I’d better check, because that would be bad form.) ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/647 "2020-01-07T05:29:44Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > How the fuck are you morons all still arguing about this? Because I enjoy mocking idiots. You really think anyone actually thinks they’re going to convince **Magiver** that someone hitting a pedestrian with their vehicle, then getting out and assaulting them is bad? ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/648 "2020-01-07T06:19:17Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > How the fuck are you morons all still arguing about this? No shit, really. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/649 "2020-01-07T16:16:30Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > How the fuck are you morons all still arguing about this? > [@Bullitt](#): > > No shit, really. Why the fuck do you care? ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/650 "2020-01-07T17:39:23Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Why the fuck do you care? If you think I give a flying fuck, well… ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/651 "2020-01-08T01:23:54Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > If you think I give a flying fuck, well… Oh, _now_ you don’t care? What changed between the OP and now? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/652 "2020-01-08T01:25:15Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Oh, _now_ you don’t care? What changed between the OP and now? > > CMC fnord! It turned out that the OP was composed of finely granulated bullshit. And he’s hoping we forgot. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/653 "2020-01-08T02:51:03Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Oh, _now_ you don’t care? What changed between the OP and now? > > CMC fnord! Lots and lots of stupid pointless senseless arguing. **Unreconstructed Man** ’s post #645 is right on. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/654 "2020-01-08T02:52:05Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Oh, _now_ you don’t care? What changed between the OP and now? > > CMC fnord! Lots and lots of stupid pointless senseless arguing. **Unreconstructed Man** ’s post #645 is right on. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/655 "2020-01-08T05:41:36Z")
I thought two rights made a wrong. Or was that a U-turn? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/656 "2020-01-08T05:49:31Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Lots and lots of stupid pointless senseless arguing. > > **Unreconstructed Man** ’s post #645 is right on. You should berate the OP for starting the crapmeet with a fake premise in the first place. Oopsy. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/657 "2020-01-08T05:55:17Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Lots and lots of stupid pointless senseless arguing. > > **Unreconstructed Man** ’s post #645 is right on. And yet, here you are, arguing a pointless whine. Pot, meet kettle. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/658 "2020-01-08T14:55:21Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Lots and lots of stupid pointless senseless arguing. > > **Unreconstructed Man** ’s post #645 is right on. Maybe next time you’ll keep your whore mouth shut. And keep better company. Eh? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927.md?page=32)