# This has to stop: extreme actions at political gathering **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 24, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927 "2019-11-24T19:15:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/121 "2019-11-25T17:29:44Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Considering the “source”, I bet this was fake. You’re probably right. I’s very out of character for antifa to do anything with odds less than 10-1. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/122 "2019-11-25T17:30:57Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Harassment seems a strong term. Especially when you can so easily avoid it. > > Hint: scrolly wheel on your mouse. It’s not my definition. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/123 "2019-11-25T17:31:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > _ **KILL THE EXTREMISTS!!!** _ > > One of my favorite bumper stickers. rofl ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/124 "2019-11-25T17:34:08Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I don’t think it was. But she was at a place where mob violence due to politics was or did happen and when mob violence occurs it’s like letting a genie out of the bottle. That’s why I don’t go to political rallies. Running into you pit loons in real life with your bike locks, your sticks, your Dodge Challengers. Not my idea of a good time. > > Now of course the _usual subjects_ will whine that this is victim blaming and then start completely misrepresenting what I said while concurrently opening up 3-4 ATMB threads which will result in the dart throwing monkey being employed once or twice again. Just a prediction. > > Anyways, I’ll be honest I’m really surprised that the violence hasn’t escalated more. I’d have thought we’d have had IEDs and stuff at these political rallies. I’m surprised by the restraint the various shadowy factions are showing and frankly it’s puzzling. My guess is they are all aware of the need to maintain some level of support or tolerance from the public as a whole. > > Since this is the kinder gentler pit, have a happy thanksgiving.������ “But she was at a place where mob violence due to politics was or did happen…” Yeah, the reason you get accused of victim blaming is because this, right here, where you “fine people” the rightwing’s murderous attacks plus the most passive of passive voices while shrugging in the implication that she _should_ have expected violence is why. 1. She was at a place…This is “What did she expect?” The “mob violence” was to be expected, and the real issue here was this silly woman with her unreasonable standards. On r/the\_Donald at Reddit they offered tips on ramming pedestrians with vehicles, promoted the gathering, jeered and attacked the victim, and then frantically tried to scrub away all of the above. 2. Where mob violence could or did happen…_One side_-----yours-------favors threats, hatred, lies, and bigotry and elected a man who has espoused or demonstrated all four, usually daily, . I wonder how long it will be before someone whips out the baseball shooting as a counter example, as if Bernie Sanders preaches hatred the way Trump does. 3. Due to politics…This deserves highlighting again because one side preaches hatred, and the other side is fighting against that. When the first group goes underground, they continue to preach hatred, lies bigotry, and genocide. The other side simply ceases to exist in that they go back to playing video games and eating Fluff out of the jar. 4. Did happen…Passive voice. It did NOT _just_ sort of magically…drop out of the sky. It was planned, preached, memed, and now rightwing legislators are trying to legislate it. You cannot argue that a guy in a car weighing 1500 lbs. is threatened by unarmed people weighing anywhere from 100lbs. to whatever each. The car is capable of high speed and is made of metal and steel while people are made of fragile bone and skin. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/125 "2019-11-25T17:38:50Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > So hey, how are the kids? Still neglected? DUDE. NOT COOL. WAY NOT COOL. His argument’s fair game, as are his tactics. We _just_ went through shit like this. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/126 "2019-11-25T17:42:22Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Freedom to hit trucks and impede lawful progress is not freedom from being consequenced. Let’s hope that the masked fool learned a valuable lesson. “From being consequenced”? So one guy with a stick is equal to one guy in a truck that weighs thousands of pounds and can reduce that pedestrian to a smear on the pavement? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/127 "2019-11-25T17:42:37Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Using personal information as an attack? Is that or is that not jerkish? One way to find out. Here’s to hoping you and your family have a wonderful Thanksgiving. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/128 "2019-11-25T17:44:01Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > That said, getting back to the OP, I fucking hate ANITFA. They do nothing other than give legitimacy to the whataboutism of the Republican party. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn that Putin has agent in the movement egging them on to further violence. If you want to show your devotion to anti-fascism you do it unmasked and unarmed. Sure, why not do it with your full name, address and SSN printed out on your shirt, too ? :dubious:. I mean it’s not like fascists _fucking murder people_ or anything :rolleyes:. Also, [people who protested the Charlottesville rally unmasked and unarmed](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/what-the-alt-left-was-actually-doing-in-charlottesville.html) don’t share your pious moral take from the safety of your home. They’re glad there were people willing to stand between them and violent shitheads, and even run the violent shitheads away if need be [when the police wouldn’t](https://www.newsweek.com/charlottesville-police-refused-protect-synagogue-nazis-so-it-hired-armed-651260). This false equivalence never ceases being vile. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/129 "2019-11-25T17:46:03Z")
> [@margin](#): > > “But she was at a place where mob violence due to politics was or did happen…” > > Yeah, the reason you get accused of victim blaming is because this, right here, where you “fine people” the rightwing’s murderous attacks plus the most passive of passive voices while shrugging in the implication that she _should_ have expected violence is why. > > 1. She was at a place…This is “What did she expect?” The “mob violence” was to be expected, and the real issue here was this silly woman with her unreasonable standards. On r/the\_Donald at Reddit they offered tips on ramming pedestrians with vehicles, promoted the gathering, jeered and attacked the victim, and then frantically tried to scrub away all of the above. > > 2. Where mob violence could or did happen…_One side_-----yours-------favors threats, hatred, lies, and bigotry and elected a man who has espoused or demonstrated all four, usually daily, . I wonder how long it will be before someone whips out the baseball shooting as a counter example, as if Bernie Sanders preaches hatred the way Trump does. > > 3. Due to politics…This deserves highlighting again because one side preaches hatred, and the other side is fighting against that. When the first group goes underground, they continue to preach hatred, lies bigotry, and genocide. The other side simply ceases to exist in that they go back to playing video games and eating Fluff out of the jar. > > 4. Did happen…Passive voice. It did NOT _just_ sort of magically…drop out of the sky. It was planned, preached, memed, and now rightwing legislators are trying to legislate it. You cannot argue that a guy in a car weighing 1500 lbs. is threatened by unarmed people weighing anywhere from 100lbs. to whatever each. The car is capable of high speed and is made of metal and steel while people are made of fragile bone and skin. I don’t advocate political violence. Several folks on this board actually do. I’m not surprised people have died or have been maimed at these events. Not being surprised is not being ok with it. When I say escalation is unavoidable once violence is excused is in no way an advocation of violence. We have a functioning democracy even if many feel that it’s flawed. As long as we have a functioning democracy violence in the context of achieving a political aim is unacceptable to me. Other posters favor violence if it achieves their goal. I’m not one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/130 "2019-11-25T17:47:28Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You’re probably right. I’s very out of character for antifa to do anything with odds less than 10-1. You seem to be displeased that there are more people willing to take a stand against murderous fascists than there are murderous fascists. Why is that ? (Hint : showing in larger numbers than fascists is a way to PREVENT VIOLENCE from taking place, you pea-brain). ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/131 "2019-11-25T17:53:13Z")
> [@margin](#): > > “From being consequenced”? So one guy with a stick is equal to one guy in a truck that weighs thousands of pounds and can reduce that pedestrian to a smear on the pavement? Welllllll. we’ve already seen how Nazis like to use vehicles as murder weapons (see Charlottesville). ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/132 "2019-11-25T17:53:19Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > So hey, how are the kids? Still neglected? Dude, don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/133 "2019-11-25T17:54:29Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Welllllll. we’ve already seen how Nazis like to use vehicles as murder weapons (see Charlottesville). Sure, but there was a guy in a sweatshirt that hit a car with a stick. See? Both sides are exactly the same! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/134 "2019-11-25T17:54:50Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Sure, why not do it with your full name, address and SSN printed out on your shirt, too ? :dubious:. I mean it’s not like fascists _fucking murder people_ or anything :rolleyes:. > > Also, [people who protested the **Charlottesville** rally unmasked and unarmed](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/what-the-alt-left-was-actually-doing-in-charlottesville.html) don’t share your pious moral take from the safety of your home. They’re glad there were people willing to stand between them and violent shitheads, and even run the violent shitheads away if need be [when the police wouldn’t](https://www.newsweek.com/charlottesville-police-refused-protect-synagogue-nazis-so-it-hired-armed-651260). > > This false equivalence never ceases being vile. God damn right. Every time a nazi gets his ass kicked, an angel gets his wings. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/135 "2019-11-25T17:55:26Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Is it acid glue? Bitch it MIGHT be ! :mad: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/136 "2019-11-25T17:56:20Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > So hey, how are the kids? Still neglected? I would also like to condemn this post. Come on, man. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/137 "2019-11-25T17:58:47Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Sure, but there was a guy in a sweatshirt that hit a car with a stick. See? Both sides are exactly the same! Yes, I see it. Exactly equivalent and equal. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/138 "2019-11-25T18:01:43Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > You seem to be displeased that there are more people willing to take a stand against murderous fascists than there are murderous fascists. Why is that ? > > (Hint : showing in larger numbers than fascists is a way to PREVENT VIOLENCE from taking place, you pea-brain). I’m not actually. I probably dislike fascists more than you. Which is why I despise Antifa. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/139 "2019-11-25T18:09:40Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’m not actually. I probably dislike fascists more than you. And yet you keep defending them, it’s weird, isn’t it ? ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927/140 "2019-11-25T18:10:37Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Seriously, I have a friend who got me a bunch of real vanilla----beans and all-----and it’s a heavenly elixir. _Bottles_ of the stuff, because there was a bad year for vanilla. Plus a buddy sent me saffron from Afghanistan. > > I could make a billion bucks if I could caffeinate this stuff and also design a line of womens’ clothing that had pockets _everywhere._ Once you’ve experienced the heaven that is a large, comfortable, zippered breast pocket nothing else satisfies. /digression I am intrigued by your ideas and would totally buy these products. Vanilla is a very intense flavor when used correctly. And, damnit, I want my clothes to have more pockets, roomier pockets, and sturdier pockets. I have been lucky enough to find an online retailer that sells jeans in my size that has real pockets, but sometimes they’re made of this flimsy thin cotton and sometimes they’re made from denim, and I want the denim, damnit, because the other shit keeps developing holes. Pockets with holes at the bottom are _not. useful_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-has-to-stop-extreme-actions-at-political-gathering/843927.md?page=8)