### Author:  [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/161 "2007-06-18T12:27:22Z")
Lee is obviously a lying piece of shit.
Whether or not she is in a three-way marriage with a transexual is beside the point.
This piece of shit should just go away. It’s so disgusting that her attention whoring in the emergency room potentially harmed people with real emergencies.
Lee, fuck off.
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### Author:  [@Flipshod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flipshod)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/162 "2007-06-18T12:55:53Z")
It sounds like ER staff can’t adequately do their job because people go there faking illness to get narcotics.
Another reason to legalize them–have a window on the side of the hospital and sell them at cost. If a person wants to be addicted to narcs, that’s their own choice and problem. But at least it would reduce the number of ER patients and the ER staff incredulity.
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### Author:  [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/163 "2007-06-18T13:03:08Z")
Perhaps, but a good reason to keep narcs illegal is the physical damage they do in the long run, even if you don’t OD or go cold turkey. Not a bad idea to keep them regulated.
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### Author:  [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/164 "2007-06-18T15:53:10Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip]
Heh. Only on this board would someone open up with both barrels on another poster’s credibility, going line-by-line to detail why he thinks she’s completely full of shit, then apologize (sincerely, as far as I can tell) for the unintentional insult of referring to her male companion using the masculine pronoun.
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As a transgendered person (now female), **KellyM** is not a “male companion.” I think it’s completely appropriate for **Dio** to clarify that his skepticism about **lee’s** story wasn’t an comment or attack on transgender issues.
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### Author:  [@Thru\_the\_Blue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thru_the_Blue)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/165 "2007-06-18T16:13:57Z")
[QUOTE=EJsGirl]
Patients dying at this hospital due to negligence (or malice) is nothing new, and yet here we are talking about it again…
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Sure…but if anything could finally do the hospital in, it would be money. It sounds like they’ve been scaling back services for quite some time, a large suit might finally finish them off. I’m still not sure that’s in the best interests of the community.
[QUOTE=Flipshod]
It sounds like ER staff can’t adequately do their job because people go there faking illness to get narcotics.
Another reason to legalize them–have a window on the side of the hospital and sell them at cost. If a person wants to be addicted to narcs, that’s their own choice and problem. But at least it would reduce the number of ER patients and the ER staff incredulity.
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Ah, so instead of a bunch of basically healthy people trying to get drugs, you’d rather have the ER dealing with people with Narc overdoses? Of course…because a nearly dying patient is so much better to deal with than a merely annoying patient.
Look, the discussion about legalizing drugs is entirely seperate and believe whatever you will. I don’t really want to get into it. But don’t try to make an argument that it would make things easier for the hospital. Legalizing narcotics would just trade one set of problems for another set of problems.
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### Author:  [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/166 "2007-06-18T16:30:02Z")
[QUOTE=Thru the Blue]
\Look, the discussion about legalizing drugs is entirely seperate and believe whatever you will. I don’t really want to get into it. But don’t try to make an argument that it would make things easier for the hospital. Legalizing narcotics would just trade one set of problems for another set of problems.
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And there’s a whole other LOOOOOONG thread about just that issue going on currently here, too.
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### Author:  [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/167 "2007-06-18T17:52:03Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi]
As a transgendered person (now female), **KellyM** is not a “male companion.” I think it’s completely appropriate for **Dio** to clarify that his skepticism about **lee’s** story wasn’t an comment or attack on transgender issues.
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But how much do you want to bet that if they eventually come back to this thread, they’ll try to claim it was?
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### Author:  [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/168 "2007-06-18T18:53:25Z")
[QUOTE=Shoshana]
In the hospitals where I’ve worked, all staff are required to attend to patient distress by rendering services within our scope of practice, by directing the patient to the personnel who can be of assistance, or **by alerting the next person in our chain of command that a patient is in distress and has unmet needs** (this is, of course, more complex because of triage, but you get the idea).
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It is my understanding from news sources that this was done. I said so in my previous post.
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### Author:  [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/169 "2007-06-18T18:59:21Z")
[QUOTE=EJsGirl]
It is NOT a disciplinary letter- it is merely an outline of what is expected in the position, with no indication that any previous behavior was unacceptable.
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I’m not saying you’re wrong, but do you have a source for that information? Because it has been referred to as a “disciplinary letter” in the news.
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> And the gal who resigned is not being disciplined, and would not have been- she merely hauled ass just in case.
And your source that she would not have been disciplined? My understanding was that it was being investigated. Seems premature to declare that she “would not have been” disciplined. And since she resigned, it would seem to be moot, since an employer does not have the authority nor means to discipline someone who no longer works for them.
P.S. Thinking about this further, the woman was placed on leave before resigning, which in and of itself would disprove the assertion that she was not disciplined.
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### Author:  [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/170 "2007-06-18T19:07:08Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
But how much do you want to bet that if they eventually come back to this thread, they’ll try to claim it was?
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Hey, whatever catfight you’ve got going on here, do me a favor and leave me out of it.
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### Author:  [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/171 "2007-06-18T19:16:17Z")
[QUOTE=drachillix]
Part of the problem is, who do you pull of of their patients to check this one who has already been triaged and sent to wait further.
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That wasn’t stipulated as part of the hypothetical situation to which I was responding.
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> The reason for the waiting room is…wait for it…every patient care provider in the ED is already covering their legally allowed patient load. Plus helping deal with the occasional critical case that comes in.
And your point is?..
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> IMHO most of this falls on the triage nurse, she had a look, and dismissed her as non critical and the patient died.
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> It sucks but its a fact of life in the biz, mistakes = dead patient. Anyone works in that world has made a mistake and or has probably seen a patient die that may have made it if not for a med error or needed tool not put away/replaced promptly.
From all accounts, this goes beyond an honest mistake and into the realm of callous disregard by the triage nurse. Mistakes happen, but when people display gross negligence then they lose their jobs.
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> Emergency medical work is not pretty, a bad saturday night at any major metro ER is more horrifying than many people could ever imagine. Horror movie directors could never capture the kind of grinding desperation and pain that comes through those doors.
Take some time to read this thread. Nobody has ever suggested otherwise.
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> I know from your posts you don’t understand that, its ok, its a good thing.
No, you have just failed to understand what I have written.
Funny, I’m getting it from both sides here. Some have taken me to task for not advocating firing the entire staff, while you won’t seem to acknowledge that it’s even _possible_ for an ER staff person to do wrong. I submit that there is a reasonable middle ground between the two extremes.
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### Author:  [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/172 "2007-06-18T19:26:59Z")
[QUOTE=lowbrass]
Funny, I’m getting it from both sides here.
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Perhaps you might work on your communication skills some.
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### Author:  [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/173 "2007-06-18T19:43:56Z")
[QUOTE=kidchameleon]
Perhaps you might work on your communication skills some.
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Don’t be an asshole.
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### Author:  [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/174 "2007-06-18T20:03:00Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi]
Hey, whatever catfight you’ve got going on here, do me a favor and leave me out of it.
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Sorry, that wasn’t my intention to start a fight. It’s just been, from my experience, that both **lee** and **KellyM** are extremely quick to claim persecution and to assume that someone is attacking their unique situation. Not their attitudes, or their stories, or their refusal to explain various things-the afore-mentioned “woman sperm” crap, for example.
And it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if they were to try and claim that our disbelief or comments were because we’re trans-phobic, rather than simply being bullshit-phobic.
So sorry I wasn’t clearer, **Jodi**.
\*NOTHING wrong with their living arrangements, of course. Just that it isn’t a very common type of arrangement.
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### Author:  [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/175 "2007-06-18T20:59:28Z")
Meanwhile my bid to convince the world I’m Brad Pitt is gaining little ground, and has met what I’d charitably call “skepticism” from club bouncers, paparazzi, and Angelina.
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### Author:  [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/176 "2007-06-18T21:30:13Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip]
Meanwhile my bid to convince the world I’m Brad Pitt is gaining little ground, and has met what I’d charitably call “skepticism” from club bouncers, paparazzi, and Angelina.
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I suggest that you focus on Angelina. If she buys it, you don’t need to worry about the others.
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### Author:  [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/177 "2007-06-18T21:40:27Z")
[QUOTE=lowbrass]
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but do you have a source for that information? Because it has been referred to as a “disciplinary letter” in the news.
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Maybe LA station are reporting it differently than the national news- almost surely, actually.
[This](http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-king16jun16,0,2317856.story?coll=la-home-local) article in the _Los Angeles Times_ refers to the letters as “letters of explanation” and indicates that they carry no penalty or disciplinary action.
I am sure we will see actual copies of them shortly and then we’ll know for sure.
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### Author:  [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/178 "2007-06-18T22:05:01Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip]
Meanwhile my bid to convince the world I’m Brad Pitt is gaining little ground, and has met what I’d charitably call “skepticism” from club bouncers, paparazzi, and Angelina.
[/QUOTE]
Dude, what the fuck is it to you if someone is transgendered? Who the fuck are they hurting? It’s none of your goddamned business, anyways.
Besides, there’s plenty of other, better reasons to take issue with **KellyM**.
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### Author:  [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/179 "2007-06-18T22:20:44Z")
See? THIS is why we can’t have nice things.
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### Author:  [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2007, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-hasnt-been-pitted-yet-woman-dies-in-hospital-when-911-refuses-her-major-ro/407913/180 "2007-06-18T22:26:00Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
It’s none of your goddamned business, anyways.
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I’m going to frame this quote, hang it on my wall, and laugh at it every day for the next six months.
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