Catholic?
Ethically yes. But morally no.
(Morality is custom, tradition, faith and law. Ethics is reason, care, respect and conscience. I’m on kind of a kick about pointing out the difference lately, as I feel society suffers from too much morals and not enough ethics.)
It will not stop, until the people clean house. Get religion out of government and KEEP it out. Get the toady politicians who serve them out of government. This was one of the few things we got right over here, the first time - even though there are always those who want to change it. Believe me, there are those who would love to see that shit here too.
Clean house. Get them OUT.
I’ve heard you mention this before – could you find a cite for the exact wording? I’ve tried finding it and couldn’t.
Religion. If Ireland wasn’t a nation dominated by religiously motivated woman haters, then they wouldn’t have such restrictions on abortion in the first place. This sort of thing is part of the point of such laws; odds are good the doctors actively enjoyed what happened to her, and I’m certain that the people who wrote & supported the laws had smiles on their faces when they got the news.
Doctors who think half the human race should not be treated for a medical condition should not be doctors. An ectopic pregnancy is a medical emergency and should be treated as such.
The bishop clearly believes that actual grown women are worth less than fertilized eggs and should therefore not be allowed within twenty feet of actual grown women.
Is the OP a common situation in Ireland? Are Irish women routinely treated like cattle by the psychopaths who apparently run the place?
If my wife and I (both Catholic) lived in Ireland back in 1990, she would have been “another” anomaly as well. Unacceptable.
Maybe it’s a Yank thing, but my racism meter went off with her name. Of course, this side of the pond, a poor woman who can’t afford to cross the distance from Galway to the UK would often be of Irish descent, and the doctors Indian.
A woman dies in hospital after days of sepsis, and no one stops it? No injunction, no special dispensation, no, “Get her on a plane to the UK if you have to”?
ETA: Just read the linked article. She was a dentist? Should have gotten out of there. May not have been able to travel.
I would probably define the terms almost the other way around, but yes, these guys need some training in consequentialist bioethics, instead of relying on procedural, not morality, but ass-covering.
I’d like to sue the hospital away from its management and put its administration in the hands of “heathens” like Ms. Halappanavar. That might teach them.
I know this poster isn’t going to be around to finish this argument, but I’ll just point out that this is completely wrong. Just last week:
So, yeah, anti-choicers do support laws that would kill women like Savita Halappanavar.
Gone already. Good riddance.
You know, I quite often find myself believing that if the bishop or the other folks in charge of creating these situations could tell in advance that the embryo or fetus is female, abortion wouldn’t be out of the question. Then I remember that they’re probably thinking, “Serves her right for making another female,” completely ignoring the fact that it’s the male’s “contribution” that determines the gender.
Another poster alluded already to the issue of racism that may be involved. If it is, well, sadly, I wouldn’t be surprised.
Went to the march on the Dail (parliament) earlier. Good turn out at short notice and there are more protests, vigils etc. We need to vote there callous cowardly creatures out.
Good for you. Toss them out.
“pro life” my ass.
I hope you can get things changed.
Go be on someone else’s side for a while; you’re stinking up the place for the we of the Forces of Goodness and Light who are trying to make the world better.
Away and fuck off Der Trihs. You really are not helping. Grow the fuck up.
Threads like this make me wonder if Der Trihs is trying to be a conservative Stephen Colbert.
Oh, my, I bashed people who torture women to death in the name of their religion, how terribly unfair and unreasonable of me. :rolleyes:
I was going to call Der Trihs to task for that, but I see you guys already have. Do you honestly think that anyone involved in this decision feels good about it?
ETA: A post snuck in on me. I think the people who created the circumstance for this decision to be made and have these consequences try very hard not to think in terms of how it affects individual women.
Yes. Either patting themselves on the back for their own righteousness, or gloating over the death of a “slut”, a “Daughter of Eve”; the source of all the evil in the world. Or both. And she was a brown person who followed a “false religion” to boot.
I don’t feel obligated to pretend that people who have a long history of the abuse of women and a known religiously based disdain for them are “well meaning but misguided”. They’ve tormented and killed women for all these generations because they like it. There are bullies and sadists everywhere.